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Talamasca: The Secret Order - Ep.1X6 "The 752" UNCUT & UNCENSORED (Patreon)

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2025-11-30 19:42:16
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Welp, the season may have been short, but you definitely can't say it wasn't entertaining lol

I think we can all agree that this series has a lot of ups and downs, but ultimately is predominantly semi-wasted potential. After my personal experience? I was entertained for better or worse and I believe that there is just enough interesting lore, plot points and (seemingly canon) implications to create a welcome addition to the "Immortal Universe". I'll be here and sat (Gasper fan-fiction in hand) should a second season ever release.

Up next? Well, I suppose I have to watch "Mayfair Witches" now before Lestat comes charging into our bedrooms, right?

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Nova

I think The Room has a charm and soul that Talamasca lacks, in my opinion. And again, I think it's because these episodes were seemingly outlined by chatGPT and filled in by weak writers. I've never felt so confident that writing is at least outlined by chatGPT in my academic or professional career in theatre and film. There's an utter soullessness in the writing the way I always feel when people discuss genAI soullessness in visual art. It can't hit me like The Room because it feels... lacking in humanity in such a tangible way. The Room feels VERY human in its flaws. On the flipside, the film Queen of the Damned was VERY very very bad and insulting to the books and author in how wrong it was and the changes they made, but is much more like The Room in how bad it was with an essential soul to it. I'm not 100% confident on the chatGPT thing, but it super, super feels like they had titles and outlines generated for them. Write for yourselves, folks. Even if it's trash, write for yourself, outline for yourself, come up with your own shitty titles for things. The worst human-written trash is better than any AI-outlined slop. Anyway, I was convinced they were leading us into Raglan James being the missing twin after we saw Helen with the lensless glasses pulling her hair back in the mirror. She LOOKED like him there! They have the same vaguely British accent while being American actors who could absolutely do different accents from each other. And his lore in the books is DEEPLY fascinating and he's known for taking on disguises, in a way. Raglan has abilities unlike anything we've seen in this show or IWTV yet (which honestly might be related to the suitcase of ancient vampire blood). But it also makes sense that his character arcs would be more controlled by IWTV story and production, because he's an essential character in the fourth book. It just felt like there were details pointing to that in a way that now feels sooooo random and like wasted story/filming time. Also Doris' reaction to her "daughter's" death and the deaths of the entire fucking coven................... no character work was done with these actors. None. She teared up about the same amount they get Sam Reid to tear up in the show The Newsreader when he's just a little stressed out. Disappointing production, but gave me a bottom bar of "it's better than Talamasca" that made me appreciate watching The Plankton Movie in a way I might not have had I not seen Talamasca.

Sam

My theory also turned out to be a big fart lol. The only character I think wasn't misused in the show was Raglan even if he had like half an episode. I find it very interesting that he's been introduced so early in the story and I'd like to see what they do with him until they adapt book 4, but it's good they're building him out as a character. Also they did great by using an agent we already knew to show us the Talamasca was no good. He's got this posh image about him that makes him seem upstanding, even if he was full of snark with Daniel and then he just turned out to be corrupt bum. Then we meet Hausman as the head of the Talamasca, also a corrupt bum with a fancy accent. Side note: Why doesn't anyone in this show have like a scouse accent or something.

Nova
>>195240271

Also disagree about Doris = 752 being a smart choice. In the book lore, older vampires kill weak vampires both for sport and to keep their turf safer and to keep their own vampire secrecy safer. Doris being made an intentionally weak vampire makes her a target for ones like Armand who both hate the Talamasca and wipe out weaklings to keep the secrecy and safety of himself and his chosen few. Making one weak vampire the fount of all Talamasca knowledge is the dumbest thing they could possibly do. Even if she wasn't weak, she's still human under the vampire and we've seen Louis try to kill himself multiple times. Vampires can die. Easily. It's such a weak choice, and one seemingly set up to fail on purpose. And if it doesn't fail, it goes against Anne's lore in a boring way.

Sam

Unless Helen hadn't opened those passports since she received them then it makes no sense for her to not already know about Doris until the doctor told her. To quote someone else's tweet, "did Helen forget what she looked like 40 years ago". On Doris being a vampire, no she doesn't have fake nails. She's just been weirdly hiding her hands since the show began. Mostly from the audience because they wouldn't have been hidden from Guy when they were playing board games. In the vampire hotel, there's a scene where she closes a door and then awkwardly keeps her hands behind her back. She also loved keeping them in her pockets. Because of this, I kind of figured out she was the lady getting turned at the beginning of the episode, and it also made sense why the caretaker at the cemetery wouldn't recognise Helen. Emma/Doris is much younger and only lays flowers in the middle of the night when the caretaker presumably isn't there. Guy's like 22, 25 at most (first job immediately out of school. Might have done a post grad). Helen would be still recognizable to Guy if she was his mum. It's only been 12 to 15 years. Also, that picture of his mum Daniel gave him is likely recent. Jasper might be a strong vampire but making vampires in quick succession makes for weak vampires, not matter how strong the maker is. AT LEAST half of the vampires in that room are going to be duds.

kira_ra

How am I supposed to believe Doris was intentionally made into a weak vampire to be kept alive in the one universe where being made into a vamp gets an immediate spotlight on you at all times? Did the writers forget that vampires here are capable of sensing each other and that they're all pretty much always beefing?

Nova
>>195248149

That really frustrated me about Jasper not sensing her in his trunk. Weak vampires don't go under the radar - I'm fairly sure QotD (book) established that only really strong vampires can hide their presence from weaker ones if they choose to do so. Talamasca was like "we want all of our knowledge destroyed ASAP but we can't do that without grooming a child into accepting that she has to know all of it first that way it'll be more dramatic when she gets killed off" when they came up with this plan.

Valaree

Thanks for watching this show, it was great to hear a perspective from someone without expectations set by the books. I liked this finale a lot. Some decent wrap-up and interesting threads left dangling to pick up in a second season. Again, I wish there had been more build up… I think six episodes wasn’t nearly enough to establish the emotional stakes needed for the payoff we got here to really hit. Hopefully next season they give them more time.

Devon Michelle

In the novels the Talamasca is run by ‘elders’. These elders send assignments out to the field agents but no one in the Talamasca actually knows who the elders are in real life. There’s a rule that if you are an elder you’re forbidden to reveal it. I got the impression that immortals were probably the real elders but that’s just a guess. For the most part, the Talamasca is seen to be good and true. Unfortunately, many of the motherhouses run independently of each other and there all always bad eggs. I really did like this finale, I think the 6 episode constraint really hurt it though.

MarySoul

You don't have to, but I would watch it, I mean Mayfair 😋 And maybe I'm not the only one with the same opinion! As for the finale, I’m just sad and mad; it got good in the last episode, proving they could have done better all along. 🙈

Weronika
>>195280208

The real elders are actually reveled in the last three books of the vampire chronicles if you want to check out if your theory is correct

Melissa

The finale was def the most interesting episode. I think my problem is that I don't really like the actor playing the main character of Guy. I love the actor playing Jasper, but I don't find him believable as a vampire. I don't know why. I can give stories some time to develop, but when the actors don't pull me in as the main characters, that's a problem. I'm also mildly annoyed that Helen's hair looks very similar to how Gabriella's hair appears to look in The Vampire Lestat, which is also similar to Harmony Cobel.

AngryGreen

HAHAHAHA 😂 that police woman who wasn't supposed supposed to be there says she'd be "on desk duty in Croydon if I came out the good side of his arse". This is my home town, 2nd highest crime rate of all London boroughs, the place most people avoid, complete shit hole ❤️. Hilarious they worked this in after having random Americanisms spread across a show mostly set in the UK. What a trip. As a whole it was a fair finale I think, so something that was a little meh overall. I'd probably still watch the next season, if just for a giggle.