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#609 - Gather Ye Rosebuds (Newsroom Part 9) (Patreon)

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What if presidential candidates had to submit to a REAL debate with REAL questions? What if they had to face the most hectoring moderator of all tie? In episode 9 of THE NEWSROOM ("The Blackout Part II: Mock Debate"), Will McAvoy tests out that very idea.

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Jeremy Hawkins

In one of your epidodes with the west wing thing, one of the guys said something like "people only think this speech is profound because he's reciting latin." And I think that kind of hits the nail on the head with 90% of Sorkins profundity. Imagine if the president was in a church reciting latin is kinda the equal and opposite level of epic as what if I killed Barney while smoking weed in the playboy mansion I have two questions for Michael and Us nation: Does the show ever deal with the seemingly contradictory ideas that Will was George Bush's speechwriter and that he was the Jay Leno of news before he was mad as hell? How do you think Will's style compares to todays strange style of news where articles now include lines line "Donald Trump, in a blatant lie says..." because they can't find a balance between using an overly passive voice and reporting the G-- D--- news?

Kainien Morel

"He's the fourth [H. W.] Bush son!" Oh, get the fuck out! Really? Fourth son? Well, we don't need to wait until 2001 to try and reconcile Jeff Newsroom's common sense conservative liberalism with Republican orthodoxy--we can just go to the late 1980's, when "Papa" Bush told Robert Sherman he didn't think avowed atheists should be allowed to hold United States citizenship because it conflicted with the essential nature of the American state and government at a press conference on his campaign. How's he going to feel about his adopted "fourth son's" seeming antireligiosity? He was still alive, after all; maybe he softened up a quarter-century later? Did McAvoy belong to an acceptable nondenominational (at least) body of Protestantism back when he still went to family reunions on the Bush Ranch? Does the second season feature a heartwarming reunion between McAvoy and H. W.'s fifth Marxist-Leninist (or possibly Iraqi) son? Apparently, you can make this shit up if you're Sorkin. Now that we've safely ruled out Carl Sagan-McAvoy's generic American cynicism masquerading as declared atheism, moving onto his considerably more important political convictions--by the sounds of the episodes so far, it seems like that uncomfortable but presumably necessary (or at least...responsible?) need to square institutional Republican and conservative loyalties with the shift already obviously underway with modern, election-winning Republicans by 2012...falls on the Sam Waterston character? He's allowed to be a little bit softer and more introspective, possibly playing off Wang Chung-McAvoy's need to be the foundational, even "father" of the morality of the ACN machine? (Granted, I still don't want to watch the show. But I will say I had a lot more fun listening to this episode than any treatment you guys did of "Studio We have SNL at Home". Keep up the good work, boys.)

Nate

HAVE A LITTLE FAITH IN MEEE

Blank

I think I’m physically allergic to Sorkin dialogue. It is so smug and self satisfied and trying so hard to be clever I can’t stand it

Chris Burke

I kinda want to defend Manohla Dargis a little bit in response to Will’s dismissal of New York Times film criticism. I guess you could argue since they poached her from the Los Angeles Times she’s not really an NYT product, but she’s always stood out as the better, more open-minded and cinephile committed of the regular critics. This is especially compared to AO Scott and Stephen Holden, who were the other regular critics when I paid attention to these things. Generally I agree with Will’s assessment, I just wanted to shout out Dargis as the exception.

Iain

Long ago, Sorkin anointed himself America's Truth-Teller, giving the rubes a regular dose of cold, hard Truth. Sure, he might have the Best Take for every conceivable scenario, but he's not perfect. He may seem like an insufferable, condescending, bloviating gasbag—that's just a facade! Through the cracks in this nigh-impenetrable veneer, a pure heart might recognise the image of a man who, in the dead of night, sometimes wonders whether he might have had the Wrong Take. Sorkin is using MacKenzie to transpose this image of himself onto Will McAvoy, despite nary a moment of uncertainty passing through either man's mind. There's no room for doubt in the Goddamn News, people!

piranhaplant

All the subplots and romantic intrigues are blurring together for me, I can't keep them separate anymore. I get an erection now whenever I hear Will McAvoy read the news.

Blank

“That’s not all he does with them” lol’d. Sloan on 🔥 lately

Oliver Elliott

Iran Air 655. Great example of how America has been unapologetically bad for WAY longer than the Sorkin-style libs will admit to themselves. There’s a BBC documentary on the incident that’s really good. Maybe most striking to me is that they interview the CO of another US Navy ship that was there and he was still, years later, visibly enraged at how unjustified the shoot down was.

James Waters

HAVEALITTEFAITHINMEEEEE 👏