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Better Call Saul S6 Ep7 | Full Length Reaction (Patreon)

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I am shattered… like absolutely devastated. I had to sit down and breathe, to process the ending of this episode.. I’m heartbroken I don’t know how i’ll be able to continue the series after this 💔 ….. that was SO UNCOOL AND IM STILL GOING THROUGH A WIDE RANGE OF EMOTIONS BECAUSE OF IT 😭😭💔💔💔💔💔💔

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Matt

I think I speak for everyone when I say 😬😲😭

Matt

Shout out to everyone for not spoiling

ynnk99

At last we have arrived

MrAlexSan

I was waiting for this for months - so many seasons. We're finally here. A not so fun fact - this was where the mid-season break happened when this was airing on TV.... however, it was NOT planned this way. What happened was Bob Odenkirk had a very serious heart attack when they were finishing once of the last scenes of this episode. They had to go on hiatus to wait for him to recover to finish the rest of the season. Edit to add - I am now Alluding to HUGE HUGE SPOILERS DON'T READ FROM HERE ON OUT I'm also about 99% certain people gave you grief for Howard just to rile you up kek The moment you said you loved him and started fighting with commenters about Howard I was just like "Yessss, yessss, love him, love him Vee. You will suffer, we will get your reaction. Tears, rage, depression - you are one of us again. Cry, cry like us, Vee, cry like we did. We are in the endgame now."

neez duts

so this wasnt the execution you were expecting :(

Screaming Firehawk

Lalo just opened the door. Jimmy, probably, didn't lock it when Howard came to their place.

WarriorPoet1980

It makes a person wonder...would things have turned out different, in the bigger picture of this universe, if Kim hadn't gotten stuck in document review for as long as she did? Which Howard gave the order, but I'm thinking that might have been Chuck's call? I might be remembering that incorrectly though. Still; it makes me wonder.

Midou Jaques

This ending episode was so great. The fact Howard came to blame Jimmy then understand Kim was not just a "follower". Cause in fact in this revenge plan many times Jimmy wanted to stop but did it only "for Kim" (he take fun doing it like all his plan). He is reassuring Howard telling him he is going to be fine then didn't know what to say when Howard talk about his depression and wife problem maybe having a bit of remorse. Then Kim show agressivity against Howard trying to kick him out, showing no remorse. It's not just Jimmy who influenced Kim. In fact Kim influenced Jimmy more in bad decisions theses last episodes. Howard was right when he say "I deserve it but it's way to much" don't forget what he did before Chuck's death and his "redemption arc".

Max Hassam

When Kim meets Lalo in prison when Jimmy is in the desert, Lalo says Jimmy will be fine because "he's like la cucaracha" (like a cockroach) and so him seeing the cockroach in the sewer reminded him of "Saul", giving him the idea to use him for his plan. Unfortunately, it was the worst timing possible :( Mike took off all their security & D-Day happened. One lesson this show teaches you is never confront the protagonist for their faults hahaha. Mike calls out Walt's pride & ego, gets shot instantly. Howard calls out Jimmy's true scumbag nature, gets shot instantly. In case you didn't fully gather in the end, the stuff they put on the photos is the stuff that made Jimmy's (and later Howard's) pupil's dilate at the Vet's office last episode. I've always assumed that Hector was happy with Lalo going back to plan A. I think he hates Gus that much.

Max Hassam

Some of Chuck's last words to Jimmy: "In the end, you're gonna hurt everyone around you. You can't help it. So stop apologising and accept it. Embrace it."

Max Hassam
>>159555563

When did Howard say "[he] deserve[d] it but it's way too much"?

Joe Lazarus

Hey, at least Howard went out with a bang

Joe Lazarus
>>159556264

Howard was calling BOTH Jimmy and Kim out, not just Jimmy. Also, let us not forget who came up with this elaborate scheme. This scheme was much more cold blooded than Jimmy's usual pranks.

Joe Lazarus

Damn Kim....I hope it was worth it!!!!

V1rtu0u5

meow =)

Kittys Go Meoww

only a few more left, its been great.

Max Hassam
>>159556264

Yeah of course. I was simply referring to how when the primary character is called out, that person dies straight away XD I agree that Kim was colder than Jimmy here. Jimmy fessed up to Chuck when he felt bad after the 1216/1261 incident. He fessed up to the Sandpiper ladies. He even started to sort of admit the scheme to Howard before Kim continued to double down on it. It's the difference between someone who engages in a plot because they enjoy scamming and someone who engages in a plot because they have hate for their victim. Jimmy doesn't like Howard but deep down he knows the reasons why are deflections on his own guilt.

Lorenzo Baxter

This.... is all because of Jimmy and Kim. Their actions have severe consequences. Howard wouldn't have been there if it weren't for their schemes. They absolutely share responsibility in Howard's death here. It really changes how you see Chuck too. I mean, Chuck isn't some valiant hero, but he had a point about Jimmy. Even though he was jealous and really angry at Jimmy, Chuck was right, Jimmy just has this part of him that he adores all the plotting and scheming. Both Howard and Chuck suffered because of Jimmy and Kim. And that kind of filth is incredibly hard to wash away. But man, what an incredible show. Can't wait for you to see how this unfolds!

Rey

Were in the endgame now V

Anthony Smith

This is on Kim and Jimmy; no different than if he got drunk and crashed his car or if he'd killed himself after the plan went through, they're culpable.

Anthony Smith

My twitter profile pic was hamlindigo blue for months after the episode; the mass mourning in the fandom was real; and I'd defended that man (but also recognized his flaws) from season one episode one, I'd predicted the Chuck twits (I was a fan of both; my two favorites).

Richard Najera

Every time I think about this episode, I think of a specific line from Jimmy in the first episode of this season. In that episode, he's still recovering from the traumatic desert odyssey he had to endure, not 100%, and isn't eager to start scheming again. He's hesitant on planning on taking down Howard, and after a little bit of thinking, he tells Kim "what's the harm in listening?" Little do they realize that it would lead to Howard's death, and more. In many ways, this is the Ozymandias of Better Call Saul. So glad we're finally here :,)

Raptor

Lol, okay, now you're just mad because a character you liked got killed. Howard didn't have to show up and mockingly celebrate Jimmy and Kim's win. You can look at Chuck and Howard as good guys if you want to but you'd be missing the point at how flawed these characters are. Chuck was an egoistical, arrogant, gate keeping, self-rightous man with a superiority complex; so superior that he knew better than medical professionals about his imagined disability...and Jimmy looked up to him. Chuck hated his brother but never told Jimmy that because Chuck liked that he was worshipped even by the people he looked down on. Howard's flaws, on the other hand, evoke empathy. He is a 'yes man', a doormat, a mild misogynist, a flip flopper (against Jimmy, then likes Jimmy, then against Jimmy, then likes Jimmy), a perfectionist (OCD), and doesn't communicate his frustrations until he is pushed which he then uses as ammo, which (intentionally or unintentionally) makes himself look like the victim. I think you're wrong about Jimmy influencing Kim to be like this. I think Jimmy accepts Kim, which allows Kim to feel safe being this way because she really is like this. Think back to the ultimatum Kim gave about a break up or marriage. Yes, it protects them from having to testify against each other, but why even think about marriage as a solution? Because Kim really likes Jimmy. She needs Jimmy's validation to be who she was scared to really be. Kim is a genius lawyer, like Chuck, but Kim sees the loopholes in the law in the same way that Jimmy does and uses them the same way, to fight for the underdog rather than help arrogant rich boys step on the working and lower classes. Another reason is that Kim is the one that came up with the long con on Howard. Kim kept coming up with idea after idea when Jimmy was wrestling with 'rock and hard place' moments. Jimmy is a fly by the seat of his pants, kinda conman. Kim is a strategist. Howard was wrong about one thing, Jimmy and Kim are not sociopaths. Yes, its fun for them, but they haven't done this to anybody hurting more than them. They punch up, not down. They save the lower class. A sociopathic conman wouldn't bat an eye at conning a single mother of three living in her van with her kids. Not only would Jimmy and Kim not do that, they would con for that homeless mom and her kids. They con the wealthy, the arrogant, the vane, the egotistical, the prejudiced, fraudsters, the people that have the means to rebuild their lives. Like Howard said, he would have been alright after this. He'd survive just fine. And think about the couple that was conning old people out of social security checks or IRS claims (i don't really remember). They were less fortunate but Kim gave them out to stop committing fraud on people that don't deserve it. That couple were sociopathic con people. I still wouldn't take Chuck's side after all this. Jimmy didn't plan to hurt Chuck. Jimmy does his best conning when he's shooting from the hip. Chuck backed him into a corner and Jimmy lashed out to save his own skin, like anyone instinctually would. Jimmy uses his natural talents to survive. People that survive this way do still have morals. And this kind of survival is valuable to a society. Chuck looked down at his brother's conning because he would be affected by the consequences sometimes but also he felt obligated to clean up after him as a forced caregiver. Caregivers that are also family members generally didn't volunteer for the job, therefore end up having quite a lot of resentment. I'm sure Chuck had a thousand and one reasons to dislike Jimmy over the years but he's opinion is biased. When you have negative history with someone, it hinders that person from growing in your eyes. If you have unresolved frustrations or lack of closure on those negative things, then it clouds your eyes from seeing a changed and grown individual years later. The memory of your bad experiences always fills your thoughts the second they do or say anything that even remotely comes near to triggering those memories. Now, does any of this mean Chuck, Howard, Jimmy, or Kim deserve their positions in the show? Absolutely not! Lol. Chuck and Howard did not deserve to die. Jimmy and Kim are not heroes or villains. These are all flawed individuals, living their lives, effecting each other in the ways they do, while sitting in a circumstances within proximity of feuding cartels, lol.

Retro Tom

This whole show is a great demonstration on how peoples actions effect others in unintentional ways. Jimmy could've been & wanted to be better. He got a law degree to be like Chuck, but Chuck couldn't see it. If Jimmy with a law degree was like a chimp with a machine gun as Chuck put it, Chuck could've been an extra hand on that gun, guiding towards a safer direction. He didn't & set Jimmy on the path to Saul Goodman, to Walter White & so on. Jimmy & Kim's plan to take down Howard not just effected him, but HHM in general, most likely Clifford main & his office & all of the members of the class action suit who now get a lower settlement. Rich Schiewkart gets a good benefit by getting their lower offer through & Howard was the ultimate "wrong place, wrong time". Howard had his flaws but certainly did not deserve the fate he received. As someone who has been stuck in a bad rut for a decade because of consequences of other people's choices that they refuse to acknowledge, it just stands out so much more how this show shows that the consequences you don't expect or think can be far worse then the ones you intend, even with good intentions

Tim Martin
>>159556264

Hector was 100% against Plan A (Lalo taking out Gus without proof the Boss' could get behind). Lalo was about to get the proof but told Hector he couldn't find proof because Lalo knew the the phone was tapped and being recorded. He simply did that to lure almost everyone from the laundry. He would then kill the 2 or 3 guards who stayed at the laundry instead of going up against several of them, and that would have been it. Then he would video what would later become the lab. But as the OP said, Lalo saw the cockroach which reminded him of Jimmy who he had all but forgotten about, giving him another idea. Howard was just collateral damage, unfortunately. The next episode will give more clarity to "Plan Cockroach".

Tim Martin
>>159575746

Craig and Betsy Ketlleman were running the crooked tax refund business.

Tim Martin

We still have 6 episodes left. Hopefully the Editor can put a rush on episodes 8 and 9. Episodes 10-13 are good, but no rush. JMHO

Jergin

Something I've never noticed before until rewatching this episode now, lalo gets the idea to visit Jimmy and Kim cause he sees a cockroach in the sewers, and in a previous episode he called Jimmy "la cucaracha"

panacamanana

The thing is though, Jimmy and Kim knew it wouldn't really ruin Howards life. He is a rich white man so he was always going to be ok. He even says it himself, he would land on his feet. They went through with it because it would give them their satisfaction of plotting and winning, but Howard would be ok. Not saying they aren't culpable but they aren't as bad as Lalo.

Raptor
>>159575746

Lol, would you like my dissertation? I'm a writer as a hobby. So i like to write, lol. I also have the patience of a monk and a very busy life. The amount of time something takes is rarely an issue with me.

Raptor
>>159575746

Saying that Jimmy and Kim are at fault for Howard's death is a ridiculous as saying it's your fault for liking Howard in the first place, lol, 'He's not the main character, you should've known', lol. 'Lalo is a psychopath, Jimmy and Kim should've known that both Howard and Lalo would've shown up at their place unexpectedly' lol. Blaming Jimmy and Kim for Howard's death is the kinda of thing Lalo would say, too, btw. Lol Brightside is that Lalo isn't going to make it because we know how Gus, Hector, and Mike end. Lalo isn't just going to call it quits, his family was executed in front of him. He's not going to just stop and wait for years to hunt down the lawyer instead, lol.

ButtercupsTrueLove

When Jimmy gets it in his head that he got screwed over, he makes it his mission to utterly destroy a person's credibility in the eyes of others and in the process to also plant the seed of self-doubt into their minds. He did it to his brother, Chuck, and he AND Kim did it to Howard. EDIT: (to remove spoiler) Howard wouldn't have been in that situation if it were not for Jimmy and Kim. And they did it to amuse themselves, which makes it feel utterly heartless. Jimmy has never learned that there are repercussions to our actions.

Jay F

Rey

Literally went through all the same emotions you did when this episode went down and solidified my team chuck was right stance

Rey
>>159575746

And one could argue if jimmy had done nothing to mess with howard , howard would still be alive. Whether jimmy is at fault or not is inconsequential and not the point the show is goingfor , what the show is laying out is for the 2nd time jimmy has on his conscience a man who's reputation he tore down and the it immediately lead to their deaths. Did jimmy directly kill them? No ,but the only reason he brought them down becuase they were simply men that saw through his act and knew what he was capable of. Its not about whose at fault as much as it is consequences of actions

Max Hassam
>>159575746

Jimmy and Kim are responsible for Howard's death in the same way that Walt was responsible for the plane crash. They unnecessarily instigated the calamitous events that culminated in death. They could've just not scammed Howard. Lalo appearing out of the blue (or back from the dead) while they gaslight Howard wasn't something they considered (especially Jimmy), similar to how Walt didn't consider the knock-on effects of letting Jane die.

Max Hassam
>>159556264

Yeah that's a fair point. Seeing as Lalo acknowledged that Eladio wouldn't be happy with him going in without proof. I understand it was all a subversion

Raptor
>>159575746

I agree that we are being shown that you can't predict the full span of the consequences of your actions but I don't agree with the rest. Putting the blame on Jimmy for Howard is like being blamed for talking to someone that also stepped into traffic and gets hit by a bus. Sure, you'll blame yourself for distracting that person but that person decided to step off the curb mid-conversation without looking. What kind of person thinks its a good idea to go over to someone's place at night, unannounced, just so they can passive aggressively mock them to their face? As for Chuck, Jimmy embarrassed Chuck with the Mesa Verde account to protect Kim, instead of writing off that embarrassment as a simple 'dusting off the cobwebs after a mental health sabbatical' like Howard and Jimmy were trying to get Chuck to do, Chuck tried to destroy Jimmy's life, Jimmy defended himself by exposing Chuck (after numerous attempts to get Chuck to stop) and embarrassing him again, in front of his peers. Then Chuck got help for his condition and Jimmy left his life. Jimmy even returned to check in on him and to apologize but Chuck dismissed him and said some nasty, yet truthful, things and again they parted ways. Then Chuck's stubbornness and ego got him in trouble with HHM over the insurance issue, which led Chuck to getting forcibly retired, which led to a downward spiral of ignoring his medication and self-loathing, which led to him killing himself. Jimmy's actions didn't lead to Chuck's or Howard's death. Their own insecurities and failure to handle themselves when they are stressed did. Of course, Jimmy and Kim are going to think about their part in both of their deaths, who wouldn't, but if you live your life blaming yourself for getting involved in the lives others and then they die, you're going to end up never leaving your house. Life happens, people make choices, and then you die. Everything in-between is circumstantial, contextual, and perspective. Circumstances matter, context matters, and perspectives matter in every situation. And he didn't target them because they saw through his act. He targeted them because they got in his way or retaliated against him. Plenty of people see through Jimmy's act and he doesn't do anything to them. I spotted Saul's conman ways back in Breaking Bad right away. I have known plenty of con artists. If anything, this show should be educating you on spotting a hustler, lol.

Raptor
>>159575746

The show isn't about Jimmy and Kim going around not scamming people, lol. Blaming Jimmy and Kim and Walt, is taking away the consequences of the personal choices of those involved that ended up dying. They didn't trick Howard into coming over that night. They didn't make Howard be all dramatic about getting scammed. With this logic, if Howard got killed in a car accident on the way to or from Jimmy and Kim's place, you'd still blame Jimmy and Kim, which is ridiculous.

Midou Jaques
>>159555563

When he enumerate the possible reason they do it (defend Chuck against Jimmy, put Kim down, someone who is in charge cause he is "the son of", etc... Then he say "it's not just throwing bowling ball on my car". I think he say it like "ok maybe you didn't like what I did to you" and at start he "accept" the "little prank".

Ace
>>159604578

You hated hank at points? I never did tbh

Jorge Hernandez

All your points are absolutely valid. I think you hit the nail on the head when it comes to Jimmy and Kim. I have a lot of respect that you were able to see in your first watching what took me several watchings to realize myself. Like Hank in Breaking Bad, his death didn't hit me until I started to understand and then like him. Now Hank's death hits me the most.

duffmanx2000

This is the episode I’ve waited for since you started BCS!

Garret Smith

50:34 “YeaaaaAAAAHHHH BABY!!! That’s what I’ve been waiting for, that’s what it’s all about! WHOOOOOOOOOO!” -Moist Critikal

Garret Smith
>>159575746

Dude what drugs are you on?. Jimmy and Kim are literally the bad guys ☠️ Everything all these other characters are saying about Jimmy and Kim are supposed to be wake up calls for the audience. Everytime someone says “Jimmy is a child” or talks about how Kim is being changed by Jimmy, it’s absolutely true and the story writers have other characters say it so you wake up and realize that Jimmy and Kim aren’t good people 😂 they ruined someone’s life. And you can’t say that they wouldn’t do it again because of the way the show progresses after this, if this didn’t happen who knows who could have came across their path. Honestly they absolutely could and would!!! Kim “feels safe” around Jimmy literally means that he’s changing her by bringing out this bad person inside her. If she isn’t doing that stuff without Jimmy, she is being changed. If you had thoughts of stealing a candy bar and didn’t, and then was with a friend who encouraged you to do it you’re being changed. Because previously you were someone who had the self control to think rationally. You can say that Howard and Chuck are flawed but they’re not doing anything illegal. You’re supposed to root for Jimmy and Kim but they are NOT the good guys ☠️ That’s like saying Megamind (before the final act) was a good guy because the film portrays Metroman as the opposition. That doesn’t mean Megamind isn’t the bad guy. He’s STILL THE VILLAIN (until the end of the movie) Same with Walter White, just because we’re following him in the story that doesn’t make his actions justified. Jimmy nor Kim have a change of heart to be the hero of any story. Kim quits and Jimmy continues into breaking bad to do more shady stuff. They are not the good guys. The actual point of most of these episodes are that good people are getting trapped in these games Jimmy plays and it gets people hurt. It’s a tale as old as time. When he gets those skating kids mixed up with cartel people (although it wasn’t the intention JIMMY played stupid games and the kids won stupid prizes for joining) When he messes with and manipulates the sandpiper ladies. All the gaslighting with chuck that ultimately led to his death. The petty game Jimmy went through so he would get fired from Cliff’s office. Everything he did to cover up Lalo’s identity. Everything he’s been doing to Howard! And Kim absolutely would not have done any of this had it not been for Jimmy being in her life. The whole point of the show is this simple fact. Jimmy is not a criminal lawyer, he’s a CRIMINAL lawyer!

Raptor
>>159575746

You sound preachy, lol. You sure you're not throwing stones from inside your glass house? Lol. You clearly didn't read anything I wrote and you clearly just want to yell at someone. I never said Jimmy and Kim were the good guys. Not once. Not a single time have I ever said Jimmy and Kim were heroes. And I never said they were right about the awful things they do. I merely gave their reasoning, not that those reasons are the good choices. The show is literally showing you people aren't one-dimensional, not good or bad. Every character does good things and bad things. The show is also showing you how flawed and malleable the legal system is because it mostly gets a lot of the legal stuff right. It shows us that we all have choices, we all make choices, and that there are consequences to our choices which includes other people paying for them. Howard and Chuck did do illegal things. For starters, Chuck broke into his electric and gas meter on his house, that's illegal, that's why there is a lock on it. Howard arrived at Jimmy and Kim's slightly hammer, meaning he drove drunk, also illegal. The show didn't show them doing many illegal things, but are they not also immoral people? Howard retaliating against Kim by sticking her in Doc Review. Chuck not allowing Jimmy to even get a fair shake at being a lawyer at HHM for unconstitutionally bias reasons. Drawing out the Sand Piper case even though many of the clients are near death just so the law firms can make more money. Don't sound like "good guys" to me. Meanwhile Kim does almost exclusively Pro Bono work. Count yourself lucky that you have never needed a lawyer to waive their fee so you aren't falsely imprisoned by a corrupt and biased system on trumped up charges. Jimmy stopped manipulating those elderly ladies and got them to be friends again. But apparently he should be raked over the fire for ALOMST doing something wrong according to your very self-righteous speech, lol. And you need to get some psychological help, my guy, if you think another human being can "change" another. No one can make you do anything you don't want to do. Kim didn't have "self-control to think rationally". She didn't step out of line because of fear. The fact that she is doing what she is doing now proves that. She didn't want to be alone and shamed, so she behaved. Now she has Jimmy, so now she feels more brave and safe. She is the one instigating intimacy after each time they succeed. She feels alive because she feels like herself, finally. Kim is a big girl and can make her own choices. Saying that Jimmy is "changing" her is taking away a woman's autonomy. YOU'RE NOT TAKING AWAY A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO MAKE HER OWN CHOICES, ARE YOU!? ...lol Again, Jimmy had nothing to do with Chuck's death. Chuck stopped taking his meds and spiraled out, then killed himself. Jimmy had no idea what was happening to Chuck because Chuck wouldn't let him near him. You want to talk about legal versus illegal? How about this? Trying to pin Chuck and Howard's deaths onto Jimmy and Kim would be illegal because they didn't cause those deaths. So coming out here, on your soapbox, trying to put words in my mouth, sounds a little bit like liable claims, which is illegal, btw. Lol. I guess that means, according to your logic, that YOU are not a good guy either, huh? lmao The show is not about "trapping good people". You need to see a therapist for your projected trauma.

Louise Marc
>>159575746

writing this much comment shows how invested you are in this show and still missed the whole damn point lmao

Raptor
>>159575746

Missed the whole point, huh? How about we go to the professionals on what the show is about. Here is an excerpt from the actual writers without spoilers: "Unlike "Breaking Bad" which often presented clear-cut villains, "Better Call Saul" explores the nuances of morality and the slippery slope of making questionable choices." Hmm, seems I'm hitting the grey areas of morality that these characters have to exist in right on the nose, doesn't it? Lmfao! Be careful you don't hurt yourself falling off that high horse you rode in on, lol.

duffmanx2000
>>159711673

And your reaction didn’t disappoint! And the more you talked about Howard the more I knew it was going to sting 😭😭

Garret Smith
>>159728484

I’ve rewatched your reaction to the final scene about 10 times now, the wait was definitely worth it!

Eric Wall

I was emotionally numb for like 24 hours after seeing this the first time. It’s the kinda thing that leaves you speechless. I do think Howard is wrong about them being outright sociopaths. The true sociopath was the guy who walked in behind him. It’s also why most people tend to have more anger towards Kim and Jimmy over this. Lalo is sorta like a wild animal. You don’t expect him do anything other than what’s functionally necessary to get his results. But Kim and Jimmy *do* know better. To paraphrase Howard, Lalo will be just fine with his involvement in Howard’s death, but those two? Far from it.

Saltire

Haha yeah I get that you were upset and angry at Lalo here, but he's a Salamanca, and like Jimmy and Kim, its what he is, a psychopath. Yes, Howard doesn't deserve this at all, and thats two lives Jimmy and Kim have ruined through their actions. They have become supervillains...

Saltire
>>159646318

Yeah, Hank, Marie (for all her faults) and Walt Jr, are the only ones in Breaking Bad that are decent people out of the main characters. And Howard was here too. Sure he may have tried a few little tricks here and there to ensure his side comes out on top for the Sandpiper case; but he was a guy who recognised his faults, his errors. Had worked through his guilt about Chuck, and was trying to get his life back on track; but had the unfortunate situation, of pissing off these two sociopaths in Kim and Jimmy. And of course they wouldn't have wanted this outcome, of all things, but he wouldn't have been in their apartment for Lalo to run into, had they not put him on this path of destruction along with them...

Saltire
>>159606477

I'm more pro Chuck, but I also recognise that he didn't help himself, or Jimmy when the opportunity to de-escalate things were laid in front of him. Its not black and white, but the more the show carries on, the more we saw that he was right about Jimmy.

Saltire
>>159583146

Its still a needless, and I'll say it, evil, thing to do. Even though Howard got in their way a few times with backing Chuck, he doesn't deserve any of this, even before running into Lalo here. Kim wouldn't even be a lawyer if it wasn't for Howard sponsoring her, which is why it leaves a sour taste in the mouth this vendetta, that has now ended in utter tragedy.

Saltire
>>159583104

Yes, thats a great bit of visual storytelling, referring back to the time he called Jimmy that. It gives him the idea to use them to somehow call out Gus.

David Caine

I think a lot of people sided with Chuck not because they had already seen the show, but because those themes and plot points were meant with ironic purpose. We know what Jimmy is up in Breaking Bad, and many based their opinions of what Chuck was saying on what happened in Breaking Bad. A child ends up getting killed and in an acid barrel because of Walt, Mike, Jesse, and Meth Damon (Todd), all of them enabled and encouraged by Saul Goodman, our Jimmy. That was the most symbolic of all the deaths in the show as the consequence of what these people aspired. It used to break Mike that people were murdered, buried and forgotten as we saw in this prequel show. Now, Howard will be disposed of and forgotten as well. To me it was the most disturbing moment of BOTH shows. Howard was the one that least deserved his end, of all the grown ups anyway.

William Kerfoot

The worst part about this is that Howard died never knowing the truth: he was in fact, not responsible for Chuck eventually taking his life. Jimmy/Saul had since the end of the S4 premiere to tell him the truth about what he did at the end of 3x7: "It was all me! I'm the one who spilled to the insurance company. I knew it would compromise Chuck's ability to be a lawyer!" And he never even bothered!

N M

Great reaction. I've never seen you so surprised and shocked at the end of an episode. Your best one yet.

Anthony

As a mid season finale this episode really pushed that feeling of finality. Abrupt, unexpected silence delivered by chaos.