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Bridgerton S1E6 - "Swish" - UNCUT (Patreon)

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2024-08-18 21:56:01
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Well, that was a fucked up ending. I am inrigued to see how this is handled next episode...

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Comments

Jessi

I feel like I need to offer another side, and I know folks feel strongly about this, so I won't blame a few flame responses. I want to preface that what Daphne did was 100% rape by today's standards and, at best, a huge betrayal of trust even by the standards of the society we've been thrown into. But. I would argue very very strongly that her reaction (and subsequent actions) were driven by the fact that Simon had been raping (by today's standards) and betraying Daphne since their wedding night (and the betrayal came before that...on the dueling grounds). Simon KNEW Daphne knew absolutely nothing about sexual relations. She stressed it to him over and over again. She doesnt even know what rape is! When he said he *could* never give her children...he was lying. And he knows this - because he has said multiple times to others that he *won't* marry and *won't* have children. Simon is very damaged. He made himself into the perfect image his father wanted out of pure spite. Nobody does that without being severely in need of therapy. So, the man hides his reasons behind "can't". But...is any of that Daphne's fault? Of course not. But she trusts him. Wholeheartedly. With mysteries she has no idea what to do with. And each time they slept together, he took advantage of her ignorance and purposefully denied her dreams without explanation. Does it excuse what she did, of fuckin course not, whether she knew she was commiting rape or not. As the story continues, she has now been shattered by him to match how shattered he was when he met her. Now...they're both at fault, and broken and have hurt each other as much as one can. So, now what? And THAT is how I approach the rest of this story. But that is only my take.

Seth

I'm gonna have to agree with Jessi here, even if he didn't know it Simon was absolutely by today's standards assaulting Daphne as well, especially after their marriage. I'm definitely not defending her actions in any way, however i don't even believe that assaulting Simon was her intention either. I believe she wanted to see his reaction, to see if it was true that he was lying to her from the start (which, he absolutely was). She truly, no matter her feelings, has no idea about who Simon is, his past, or his intentions which definitely led her to do what she did as she believed she could no longer trust him with even just telling her the truth. Especially given the fact that he was so much more knowledgeable in both her ignorance and also sexual relations in general. I believe the shows intention was to put them on the same level of betrayal in this moment, it just didn't translate well into the scene. Also, even though this world is a little more humane than real world history, this IS still set in the early 1800's London where the Sexual Offences act wasn't instated until 2003. Which I definitely believe plays a role in how they view assault or sexual violence as a whole.

Hali

I wouldn’t know which word to use to describe what Daphne did either but it’s certainly sexual assault 100%. From a storytelling perspective, given her lack of knowledge around sex & consent coupled with her feelings of her own body being taken advantage of by Simon because of that, I think it makes sense that Daphne would then assault him in this way as a result. However, my problem is that the show doesn’t appear to treat what Daphne did as sexual assault but rather as “getting even”. While their confrontation at the end makes sense from her perspective, the framing of it in the show presents her as being in the right which she is not. The severity of her actions is lost which was a huge failure of the writing this season.

Facebitch

While I do agree what Daphne did would not be acceptable by today's standards, we also have to think about the fact that Simon married her knowing that she could never divorce him and KNOWING that Daphne knew NOTHING about sex or conception. For him to act like he thought she understood, is the definition of gaslighting. They are both guilty of betrayal in my opinion. I know it's easy to think that all Simon did was lie to her but we have to see this from their lense. He didn't just lie to her, he made a choice that would affect the rest of her life without ensuring that she had all the info. Had he been honest with her she may not have wanted to go through with the marriage and now it's too late. She'll be stuck in this marriage for the rest of her life. She can't go get an annulment, or change her mind. The stakes were much higher back then. A lie was much more than just a lie. I'm not saying I agree with or condone what she did, but I do understand it.

Jessi

I am happy (genuinely) that you are watching the show with a compassionate eye. This isn't the last time one of our main characters has a crisis and reacts badly, to the point of betrayal. Seeing who they are outside of those moments will make the show much more enjoyable. (They gave us some severely flawed but good people to follow!) I've seen reactors who just do NOT forgive tv characters their mistakes, and it makes me wonder about their r/l relationships a bit. No names. But, if you can't bring yourself to give a fictional character a chance to rectify and correct themselves based on their mistakes...oof. 😉

Leila Davis-Middleton

yeahh, this was the moment i actually stopped watching season 1 because i truly couldn't stand daphne after this (i've yet to finish season 1 but i know the gist through seeing clips and watching video essays/reviews - i watched season 2 mostly out of curiosity and fell back in love w the show thanks to it) and i have to say, the obsession a lot of fans have over daphne is baffling to me. a lot of daphne fans love to excuse her actions and treat her like she can do no wrong and it gets on my nerves. it sucks bc i do remember that i did like daphne up till this point much lke you. i understand she might not realise what she did was SA but that doesn't change the fact it was wrong (and she knew it was wrong). yes, both her and simon were wrong in their respective situations and it would've been solved with a bit of healthy communication - simon was wrong to not be entirely honest with her, daphne was wrong to do what she did to simon. it became non-consensual the moment she forced simon to ejaculate in her against his will - she held him down so he couldn't pull out and in turn that even caused him enough trauma that he reverted back to his stutter if only for a second (not sure if you picked up on that or not) - daphne knew it was wrong and you can tell she felt guilt over her actions in that last scene. it just made her character immensely unlikable for me.

Kitty Underwood

Mrs. Featherington was having Marina swish in the dress to see if her pregnancy belly would show up as she moved around

Mark Wood
>>146993745

Daphne's issue (and Simon's) is not communicating with their partner. And you could certainly call it a betrayal, but its not sexual assault. That is the primary issue with this couple from the get go. And on both their parts. She in no way shape or form sexually assaulted him. He consented to sex. She was finally told what sex normally is. At no point does he withdraw consent (because that would make it assault). You state she held him down. Sorry but that is not true. He had free access of his legs, and his arms. She is simply riding him. He can push her off (the most drastic action), he can simply grab the base of his penis and pull out (visually as presented it would be very easy). He could simply thrust harder to give more space (as you can see she is not flush during the activity). He can simply rotate his hips away from her, where he will simple slip out. I've literally done all of these before, to prevent myself from climaxing early, and I am gay. Meaning my 160lbs Spaghetti frame was able to move away from a man on top of me who was 50 lbs heavier than I was, with not much effort at all. So Simon who is in vastly better shape than I was, with a lighter partner would have no difficulty in removing himself from this position. Heck just so you know it's possible to do all those even being tied down (specifically wrist and ankle restraints. And for consent, the previous episode Simon does act without consent on their first sexual encounter. When Simon asks her to show him how she master baited she says no. He then takes her hand and manual uses it to master bait herself. Does he ask? Does she consent? The answer to both is no. Is Simon triggered by what happened, yes. Did he remove consent? Nope. Was in a position where he couldn't remove himself? Nope. Was what Daphne did shitty as hell? Yep.

Mark Wood
>>146993745

And let's be very clear here as well. Simon (at least by US laws) actually commits fraud in what he tells Daphne. That is enough to force an annulment in the US if one party wanted one. By telling her he can't have kids, is false. Even in this episode he states I thought you knew, which rings completely hollow, As he himself has been told by Daphne that she knows NOTHING about sex or reproduction. Of which she is being completely and fully honest. And lets be clear here, just as she betrays him, she has also been betrayed by him. Again main issue with couple is lack of honest communication though in fairness to Daphne, this is the first real moment where she hasn't been honest with Simon. Something Simon himself can't claim. Really the one exception is when she leaves the Ball and says she doesn't care about him, and that she is going to be a princess. That is said in hurt a danger and all crap. But unlike his lies to her earlier saying he doesn't care for her, she doesn't say it with the calm intent of hurting someone. And simply put just as Daphne should have been honest before they had sex. Simon should have been honest with her in the meadow after the dual. Daphne would have still been in a position where she would have needed to agree to a marriage. If she was being courted by a random lord, getting caught compromised would ruin her and her sisters. And given the full family a level of shame. But at its worse, you take the women folk to America where that scandal would have little real impact on their ability to get married in US society. But being courted by a Prince, and one that is a relative of the Queen. Thats a much more risky situation. It would be in the Royal families right to strip the Bridgertons of title and estate, making a move to the America far less secure. So yes even with the truth she would have been forced by situations to say yes. And while I do feel that Daphne's betrayal likely hurt more (due to the fact that Simon is damaged by his father's actions and his view on himself not being perfect), it doesn't change the fact that Simon in fact has hurt her (again I feel the degree is less for Daphne's).

Mark Wood
>>146932884

How is it rape by today's standards? He consented to sex. He never withdrew his consent. There is not a No. Or Stop, or Don't. He isn't drugged or impaired so that he can't give consent. He isn't bribed or coerced into having sex. How is what happened rape? Does Daphne know that he doesn't want kids? Nope. She is never told that. So this isn't like someone telling their partner they are on the pill when they aren't or have an IUD when they don't. Or someone who punctures a condom. Again Daphne is never informed that Simon doesn't want kids. While yes she doesn't inform Simon how she plans to have sex, but by the same token Simon never tells her how he is going to have sex with her. So clearly that can't be a standard otherwise its a massive double standard that the male partner is not held to. Simon clearly knows he is about to climax. In this act he consented to and makes no move to stop it. When he has many means of stopping it. So let's take today. I am having sex. If I tell my partner that I want to last for an hour. If they manage to get me to climax before that time, would that be rape? If I tell my partner that I want to cum during intercourse, but instead they get me to climax by hand or mouth before (and I make no move to stop them when I get close) is that rape?

Jessi
>>146932884

If a man removes his condom during sex secretly...that's rape. What Daphne did was that. It's very clearly rape.

Mark Wood
>>146932884

To put it bluntly. Thats not the case. She in no way shape or form does what you are suggesting. Daphne's action in no way shape or form remove or prevent Simon from releasing in a way that is not inside her. Simon has always had to take action to move away from Daphne to prevent his release in her. Daphne does nothing to prevent that. Simon has no objection to her riding him. When she rides him (he approves) and responds with even more excitement. We clearly see when Simon gets close and sees that he is aware that he is close. This is the point that Simon would pull out. Daphne does nothing to stop that or even to really impede that. Simon had (just like when he was on top) many multiple ways of preventing himself from his seed going in her. If you think the pull out method doesn't work when someone is on top of you, well you would be incredibly wrong (Well in as much as the pull out method ever truly works) I am going to list all the relatively easy ways to have your partner on top of you and still be able to get your soldier to safety. And I have done every single one of these with someone who weighs at least 40 to 60lbs more than I weigh. And I am in far far worse shape than Simon. And I knew everyone of these methods before I was 18. And I wasn't a rake. You grab the base of your penis and squeeze tight. You need barely any space between you to manage this. Based on what the show lets you see, this would be easily done. You hold your release until you get to a place you feel comfortable ejaculating. Most boys let alone men who has ever master baited has likely done this more than once. It's has a slight discomfort to it. Simon easily had the means to do this. Her body does not impede this. ITs one of the first thing young men learn to do to get their mess from going all over the place..... When being rode you can also turn your hips as you thrust, and slide out. You can do so with less force then we see Simon use in twisting away during their previous sexual encounters. Again I am a thin out of shape man, and have done this with people who weigh significantly more than Daphne. It's easy. And clearly Simon already knows this move. Daphne being on top, does not in anyway prevent or even impede this. It's simple, one thrust, and turn the hips. We see him do this previously in this same episode, just when she is one his side. Same exact principle works. Simon has the means to physical lift Daphne off of his member just with his arms. His arms are not bond or held. Now for me this one takes a bit of effort, but again I was a 150 lb weakling. And sone so with someone who likely weighed 80lbs more than Daphne if not more. And for those who like a little light bondage. If your ankles and wrist are actually bound and restrained. You can still buck upwards, just form the power of your hips. Now I haven't done this specifically to come out of a partner, but I've done it on accident just from the vigorous nature of the love making. Really the only rational way for this to be force, and remove consent is if Simon had never not only had sex previously but he had never climaxed previously. Thus being unaware of that feeling meaning it's going to happen in the next 5 to 20 seconds. But we know that not only is Simon not a virgin, but that he has been raking himself around the world for years. Thus no this is not something that in any way shape or form be an impediment to getting free to climax. Simon when he knows he is about to for whatever reason, chooses not to. When had every means to do so.

Jessi
>>146932884

I'm sorry, but I wholeheartedly disagree. You have to just accept that. (BTW, legally, this is known as reproductive coercion, and it is labeled as either sexual assault or rape depending on your country or state. That he climaxed has no bearing on whether he was assaulted.)

Mark Wood
>>146932884

Yes I am aware of the US laws on reproductive coercion, which is why I specifically mention some of the more common ones in my first post. But there was no coercion besides the act of sex itself. That alone under the law does not meet the legal requirement for assault. Now if she could have impeded or sabotaged it then you have a point. And again I mentioned several of the obvious ones in my first post over this topic. Under the law for example, if two people have different views of having children, the simple act of the person wanting a child to initiate sex doesn't meet the legal requirement for coercion. Being seductive, or enticing doesn't meet the threshold. Throwing your heart into it making it the best sex of someone's life doesn't meet the threshold. Trying a new position doesn't meet the threshold. Wanting your sex act to produce a child doesn't meet the threshold. Impeding, sabotaging, threatening, being in a position of power and control (and the fear of that being used) over the other are all examples of the secondary aspect needed. Thats the key fact and not a single one of them applies to what Daphne did. And again she doesn't prevent Simon from using the birth control method of his choice. She doesn't sabotage him, she doesn't restrain him, She doesn't drug him, she doesn't use her position of authority (she isn't the person of authority), she doesn't threaten him. The act of birth control between Simon and Daphne has always been solely Simon's choice and his action. Daphne didn't stop or hinder either his choice or his action. Again being on the bottom is absolutely a position where the man who wants to use the pull out method can use the pull out method. She engaged in a common consensual sexual position (we know its consensual because Simon is all for it, he even gets more into the sex) that does not impede or prevent the pull out method. Even if that was her intent (which it was) intent alone doesn't meet the legal requirement. She has to move beyond that intent. For example if I put thyme in my partner's drink with the intent to kill. My intent alone doesn't make it a crime. It must also include a threat. Of which thyme isn't. Part of that statue is that a reasonable person must assume that it's possible. The average reasonable person wouldn't believe thyme can cause death. Even if its the persons intent. Now how could the show actually made the case your making in this situation with very small changes. If she restrained him, then you have a case. And even holding down his hands, would help your case. If when she got on top, Simon objected, and she keep trying to get on top. Well then you have a case. A direct action taken against his choice in furtherance of her intent. Again simply saying he didn't want her to be on top, when she first assumed that position would be plenty. Hell providing a non intoxicating drug that heightens sexual desire might help meet the requirement. With holding sex for the purpose of increasing the amount of pre*** and increasing the chance of premature ejaculation would fit. Ie an action done to decrease his control and increase his production. But none of those things happened. Just wanted to have a child, and engaging in normal sexual relations (even if in your mind the primary reason is to conceive) does not meet the requirement for sexual coercion as long as the other person still has full control (both in choice and action free of threat or retaliation) in their birth control method.

Mark Wood
>>146932884

Jessi While it's true that I thank we can all agree that the show is wanting us, the audience to view that act as sexual assault. It's actually not presented that way. Simon is at all times able to exercise and practice his preferred form of birth control (has the writer never seen or heard of a man pulling out on bottom before????) And Daphne makes no direct action to remove that control, outside of trying to make the sex really good. And I haven't found a single case in the US where the sex was really good meet the criteria for it. For example you use if she took off a condom as means to show how she took something away "his consent" to show that its sexual assault. Thats an extremely poor analogy. In that case the preferred form of birth control (or STD protection) is a condom. Removing it (or as I use in an example earlier puncturing it) takes away that persons control over their preferred means of birth control. A more apt analogy is that the foreplay and early sex is so great that I choose not to put on a condom. Thats a better analogy. Because again at all times Simon is still in control over his choice in birth control. He simply choses not to perform the steps he would take to use it. Again he is fine with her being on top. He is not unhappy at all. In this situation he would need to inform her to get off of him (which would be the first time he lets her have any part of the birth control method), or he would like all previous acts need to take the matter in his own hand. None of that has changed. Besides that the sex was really good. And in case you didn't know. In my first post on this episode I do state how I consider it a betrayal of trust (and how it's both of their's biggest issues). Just that as it's presented I can't find it fits the modern legal forms. And of course seeing it as a period piece (with really only the racial acceptance being the one that isn't true to its time, that had everyone clearly have bathed and having unnaturally healthy teeth for that period) it clearly did use time appropriate roles for women, family honor, value of women, distaste for homosexuality, ect, ect. And it's only in looking at it as a fully contemporary piece (when it clearly isn't) that any concern shows up for some of the exceedingly poor behavior on the show. Like Simon's father Darth Vader.... But I also thank the show made a serious mistake in the previous episode having Daphne tell Simon, "I can not" on a sexual act, where he then proceeds to manual take her hand and do that same act she said, "I Can Not". Even though the show showcases that she enjoys it, it clearly shows a person not giving consent, and the other taken it away. Not an intent to do so or hoping an event will happen. But literally taken it away and making it happen. Having that literally end the last episode, and the behavior in this episode (and all of the deceptions on Simon's part), pretty much keep them fairly equal in my eyes so not to see one persons terrible behavior as more off putting then then the terrible behavior of the other.

Jessi
>>146932884

I'm sorry. I disagree. She did what she did literally to take the choice away from him. She took his sperm explicitly without his consent. He said "wait" and shook his head, which she ignored. He CLEARLY did not consent to ejaculating inside of her and it really doesn't matter if he could physically overpower her to stop it. His form of birth control was the pull-out method. Which is a form of birth control she intended to take away. So, I stand by my analogy. The response of the male victim does not imply consent in itself. It is the reason why female on male rape is so stigmatized. But it does exist. I know you feel strongly and I'm honestly sorry that you will not change my mind no matter how many paragraphs you write. But if others read it and agree with you, that's fine with me. I do take issue that you seem to be ignoring all but my initial few sentences, if you read what I wrote in the very beginning in entirety: I agreed that it is NOT rape in the Bridgerton world. But a betrayal - as you said. We actually already agreed there, which is why I hadn't brought it up. They betrayed each other. They are BOTH wrong. What Simon was doing to her (today) is rape (by manipulating her consent) and what she did was wrong as well and is sexual assault at the very least. You did cause me to crack open some old case law books I had from my days in law school. So, thanks for that. In the interest of not flooding Harry's post with even more argument: I won't be responding again. But, please, feel free to respond as often as you like to get your thoughts out there.