Home
Creators
Search Recent Random
Posts
Search DMs Popular Hash Lookup Tags Random
Importer
Import FAQ
Filehaus
Recent
Register Favorites Keys Review DMs Logout
Home Creators Posts Import Register Favorites Logout

Good Omens S2E4 - "The Hitchhiker" - UNCUT (Patreon)

Published:
2024-09-06 21:42:10
Imported:
2026-06
Tags:

Content

Such a chill episode, I am gonna miss having this show on the schedule 😭 we better be getting some development for our boys before the end of the season though!

Link 1 (Google Drive): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D9xPXFNOaOko7GqWpl76suSqM1rDbwzI/view?usp=drive_link

Link 2 (Dropbox): https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/5vin7j8da97kgypeuayj2/GO-S2E4.mp4?rlkey=chy14u3hqylznybnoqjmrbspz&st=39dkkga2&dl=0

Google Drive Tip: It takes time for Google Drive to process videos. If it says "still processing" or is only allowing you to view at 360p, then you can always come back later or download the video in full

Dropbox Tip: The quality of the video is lower while streaming so I recommend downloading or using google drive if thats an issue

Comments

Harry Allen

I am so annoyed but the bloody software didn't record the phone call. I left the end in which was just after and honestly I was mostly just saying "awww" the whole time lmao

Elizabeth Gates

I do find it interesting that you keep referring to Aziraphale as, essentially, the good influence on Crowley. I tend to think of Crowley being the good influence on Aziraphale. He saved the goats and the kids, while Aziraphale was originally not going to do much to save them. Aziraphale's actions are basically what led to Wee Morag's death, while Crowley was genuinely trying to help the whole time. Aziraphale's the one with a gun license, Crowley's never shot a gun before. Even the start of the season shows Crowley questioning the need to end the earth, while Aziraphale says it's not for them to argue.

Harry Allen
>>148733708

I never actually thought about it like that, kinda messing with my head now. I think it's cause Aziraphael always presents himself in a way that FEELS like he's there to do good while Crowley always gives off the feeling of not caring (even though he obviously does). I suppose Aziraphael moreso just follows the rules and does things the 'right way' even when it's not good. This was a cool thing to think about so thank you!

Elizabeth Gates
>>148733708

I love Aziraphale (obviously), but he's got a bit of "nice guy" syndrome where he cares about being perceived as good as much as BEING good. Even in that discussion in Episode 1 in the cafe, Crowley says Aziraphale calls A) Because he's bored B) Because something's wrong or C) Because he wants to tell someone about something good he did. He wants acknowledgment of the things he's done right. Crowley just does the good thing because he thinks it's good. For that matter, none of the three reasons Aziraphale calls are to ask about Crowley necessarily. Again, Crowley is living in his car. Gabriel/Jim gets to stay at the bookshop, but Crowley doesn't live there. Is it because Crowley hasn't told him about his situation? Yes, that's possible but Aziraphale's not asking why Crowley's plants are in his car, for example.

Elizabeth Gates
>>148733708

Or take the scene during the French Revolution from S1E3, where Aziraphale went to France for crepes (an inherently kind of selfish thing). Crowley goes to rescue him (good thing). They could have just left. However, when Crowley mentions that Azi's clothes are what got him in trouble in the first place, AZ doesn't just conjure up new clothes. He switches his clothes with the executioner so that when the people come to take AZ to the gallows, the executioner is taken instead. He essentially just signed that guy up to get murdered and then goes for crepes.

Oz
>>148733708

While I agree with several of your points, I very much disagree on this one. Aziraphale does care about doing good and not just the appearance of being good. A lot of people seem to forget that Aziraphale's very first action in Eden - giving the mortals a flaming sword - is motivated solely by his desire to help Adam and Eve. This is not an act done to show off being good and in fact, like the Job minisode, he feels that he is Bad for doing it. I can't think of a single time where Aziraphale has tried to be perceived as Good other than in discussions with Crowley where he talks about who is good and who is evil. In areas where Heaven's decrees are not Moral in Aziraphale's opinion, he refuses to do them or finds ways to secretly get around them - as in the Job minisode. You make a point with him calling to tell Crowley what he's done, but I feel his motivation is that he feels lost without the structure of Heaven and is now using Crowley as his stand in for reporting to the other angels. Also Aziraphale didn't go to France for crepes. It was confirmed this season that he had another motive.

Oz
>>148733708

Aziraphale actually does try to do Good, it's just that he's dealing with Heaven's messed up moral structure. I would argue that he does more Good than any of the other angels, especially during moments like in the Job episode. I think Crowley is more worldly and understand a lot more of the nuances of Good and Evil than Aziraphale does. Aziraphale's very indoctrinated into the Heavenly way of thinking, but Crowley is a more outside the box thinker and he's a lot bolder as well, giving him an advantage in how quickly he can figure things out. Aziraphale is not a fast thinker.

Oz
>>148733708

The most important thing to remember is that this isn't a zero sum game. It's not a matter of one of the two being "Good" and the other being "Evil". They both have some good and some evil in them and that's what makes them unique and more human than the other angels and demons. Shades of grey.

Oz
>>148733708

The author confirmed that Aziraphale does not know about Crowley being homeless and that Crowley didn't tell him he was living out of his car and that Aziraphale is under the impression that Crowley is essentially "taking his plants for rides".

Elizabeth Gates
>>148733708

I didn't say Aziraphale doesn't care about being good. I said he cares about being perceived as good just as much, partially because telling someone he did a good thing and them saying "Oh yes, this is good. Nice job," is part of where he derives his sense of morality from. His desire to give Adam and Eve the sword is a nice impulse, but his immediate worry is that it's going to be perceived as wrong, and if he had been given a rule saying "don't give the humans a flaming sword" instead of being left in a limbo about what the rules were, it's hard to say he would have made the same choice. Also, when it comes up, please remind me of the other reason he went to France besides crepes, because I've watched S2 a lot and I don't remember that.

Oz
>>148733708

The only time we've seen him talk about that is with Crowley. And if you're talking about their reports to work, Crowley is arguably more concerned with appearing evil, since he not only takes credit for humanities evils, he also talks about being seen as evil just as much as Aziraphale talks about being good.

Oz
>>148733708

It's not mentioned yet. I don't want to spoil it for Harry

Oz
>>148733708

Also Aziraphale's worry about things being perceived as Wrong is because he's afraid of being punished by Heaven. Trust me, when you're in an abusive relationship or workplace, the last thing you want to do is be seen doing something wrong. Not wanting to be punished is not the same as wanting to be praised.

Elizabeth Gates
>>148733708

I don't think Aziraphale's evil and Crowley's good. Aziraphale's thinking is much more ingrained and less flexible to context like you said. But I do think he took Crowley's "You're an angel. I don't think you can do the wrong thing" and internalized that to some extent, especially when Crowley takes on the responsibility and the bad wrap for things they do together.

Elizabeth Gates
>>148733708

Yes, I know we shouldn't spoil it for Harry. That's why I mentioned "When it comes up" I would like you to point it out me.

Oz
>>148733708

As evidence of this, in the S1 script book, Aziraphale is actually surprised to be given a commendation and a promotion for his Good Deeds on Earth in one of the flashback scenes, but he doesn't expect or want it. He just wants to be left alone in his bookshop. Crowley actually has to trick the angels into letting Aziraphale stay on earth.

Oz
>>148733708

I agree with this. It's kind of an enabler dynamic going on between them. Crowley is protective of Aziraphale and while he's clearly trying to expand the angel's worldview, he does also shelter him from some pretty harsh realities as well. Aziraphale does use this to his advantage somewhat because the angel clearly loves being spoiled and is happy to live in blissful ignorance unless he's really confronted with the reality of a matter. Episode 3 of this season is a great example of Crowley working to educate Aziraphale on Earthly realities that are separate from the Holy Doctrine. We know that angels are so removed from humanity that they don't understand certain concepts - like human suffering. Aziraphale's a bit better about it, but a lot of the time he knows the rules because they're "in the book" and has never taken the time to think and apply those rules in the real world with real humans and see if they work. Crowley, on the other hand, understands that humans are complicated, that they have a lot of layers and all the small things that humans suffer from because of inequality and other societal and worldly issues. He's very good at actually breaking through to Aziraphale, it just takes him a while. Unfortunately it's also a bit trickier because Aziraphale is essentially a recluse who just wants to hang out with books and not with people, meaning he's not really keeping up with issues the way Crowley is.

Elizabeth Gates
>>148733708

I know what you're talking about. I actually linked it for Harry to check out for next time. But Aziraphale was happy with the praise. He just didn't want the promotion because it meant leaving the life he loved. Since he still believed at the time that Heaven was good, and presumably doing good things, and since he already knew that his good deeds on Earth were being "canceled out" by Crowley, wanting to stay in his bookshop when he could be doing "more" good in Heaven was selfish from his perspective. So, he wanted the praise, but didn't actually want to do the "more good." I'm not saying this from a place of hate for Aziraphale. I love him, I understand him, he's a mostly good person. But he *is* a bit self-centered. A lot of the nice things he does, he does because they are little to no cost to him. He does want to genuine good, like with Job, but whether he'd be able to do that without Crowley validating his choices in place of the angels is questionable.

Helmi
>>148733708

The way I see it is that while Aziraphale and Crowley both care about appearing good and evil respectively, their motivations for it are different. Crowley wants to appear evil so he wouldn't get reprimanded by Hell, but he's not actually evil. He does good things all the time, but unlike Aziraphale he's not working for Heaven so he's not doing good things because it's what's expected of him but just for the sake of wanting to do good things. Aziraphale has that same motivation of appearing good in Heavens eyes so he wouldn't get reprimanded, but in addition to that he also does want to do those good things. So while Crowley's only motivation for appearing evil is to not get reprimanded, Aziraphale's motivation for doing good is also just because he truly wants to be good. (This probably doesn't make any sense, but I'm doing my best to explain it lol.) Aziraphale is also very rigid in his habits and wants to follow the rules. Quite a lot of people have compared this and other characteristics of him to autistic traits, and while that's for everyone to determine for themselves what they think of it I do think it explains a bit why his mind works the way it does and why he sometimes sees everything a bit too black and white. I think it's also worth noting that because Aziraphale's and Heaven's goals both appear to be the same, it can be difficult for him to separate the two. What I mean by that is that Aziraphale wants to do good and in his eyes so does Heaven, but he has a hard time understanding that more often than not his good and Heaven's good are two different things. That's why he's way more likely to just go by heaven's rules and believe that what Heaven wants is what's good and that going against it is bad. So I guess what I'm really trying to say with all this is that it's not a selfish thing for Aziraphale to want to be perceived as good. It's just that for Crowley there's no one telling him to do good so when he does do good it looks more selfless, but Aziraphale does want to do good just as well. He just happens to also have the added motivation of appearing good to appease Heaven.

bangtanthing

Omg! Nooo! You watched The Boyfriend?! I absolutely love that show! It would have been amazing to see your reaction to it! 😭😭

Harry Allen
>>149134653

It was SOOOO good. I used to watch Terrace House back in the day and it gave the same vibes and more 😭