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The Vampire Diaries S1E13 UNCUT (Patreon)

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2021-07-19 11:32:19
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Archna

I cannot say this enough but you're really great at picking up things fast and very observant to be able to connect the dots. Each episode of TVD is so interesting and there is always a chance to miss something if you blink. Stefan did offer a pretty good deal to Damon last episode but Damon isn't going to trust his brother blindly especially after we got a bit of back story of what has happened in the past and that he does have reasons to be worried. However as you said Damon is going to trust someone if they give him reasons. After the road trip with Elena, Damon wanted to believe Elena's word as compared to his brother and that is something to think about. She saved his life that night and like she had said 'don't you forget it' and he didn't. As for Elena, again she has only spent a small amount of time with Damon and majority of the things she has heard about him is Stefan's pov. And yet Elena is able to understand Damon and his intentions. She isn't justifying the things he does wrong but she is able to empathise with him. Losing someone you love and if you have the chance to see them again, would someone not try to take that chance? But his brother on the hand is not anywhere close to this kind of understanding his brother although he has known him for a longer period of time. From the flashbacks, you figured that Damon and Stefan were still human and Katherine didn't turn them straight away. The scenes with Stefan and Katherine show a different dynamic and it is different with Damon & Katherine. Katherine takes Damon with him for her hunting adventures and he goes with her to meet other vampires like Pearl. Whereas with Stefan, we have only seen her feeding on him and compelling him to go on as she has planned. So if you remember, Stefan has said this earlier that he knows that 'it wasn't real' with Katherine but Damon on the other said 'it was real for him and she never compelled him'. Damon bonding with Elena's family over dinner was a great scene. It is so amazing how easily he just became comfortable with them. When Damon says to Elena that he isn't compelling her, Elena did hesitate to lie to his face as she did realise that he was placing his faith in her. And the minute he faced the betrayal, once again he is proved to be right and his need to be keeping the walls around him up. I liked how you were so confident about how Damon won't ever hurt Elena!! Now, he does threaten to turn her into a vampire if Stefan didn't give him the grimoire. But the minute he gets the grimoire, notice the change in his body language. He sort of kisses her forehead as if to say sorry that he had to end up crossing the line. He was only doing what he knew would make sure Stefan steps back but no he wasn't going to hurt her. Looking forward to the next reaction soon because there is a lot more coming up :))

Archna

Anna and Damon both said to two people we have seen them turning and their reasons being 'lack of purpose'. That is one of the reasons and the others will be revealed in due course of time but this is important because it tells us that even though it might look an impulsive decision but vampires do have reasons for those they do choose to turn. The Salvatore brothers relationship with their father was also an important revelation in this episode. Damon being the elder son has left the army by choice and his father only seems to be disappointed by him. On the other hand Stefan seems to be more close to his father but that didn't seem to draw up any walls between the brothers. So was just it what happened with Katherine or was this more?

Patpet

As you said Damon is a killer but he is a killer with people that betray him or threat him to kill him, he is vampire and being a vampire as you seen in this episode is dangerous, you can be exposed, killed or worse. You picked up very well some Damon's traits. He would love to trust his brother again, as you seen in Elena's kitchen where while asking Elena's if he can trust his brother, by looking straight into her eyes, he was biting his lips. But he knows his brother much better then Elena does, and she has only Stefan's account of who Damon is and what he has done: " Damon has no regard for human life, he enjoys inflicting pain to others. For 145 years every single time that I let my guard down and let Damon back into my life he's done something to make me regret that" True or not and at this point we don't know where the truth is, why Stefan does it feel the need to badmouth his brother to Elena? Damon doesn't, he could have gone straight to Elena and told her few things about his brother, he didn't and not only he has given to Elena the account of things between him Katherine and Stefan, but told her to ask to Stefan. There are traits in Damons character that comes out and are honesty and a sort of integrity he seeks people, aspecting them to be truthful because contrary to what Stefan said: "You apply your shortcomings to others" he is quite the opposite, he aspects people to be as honest as he is and get disappointed by Stefan time and time again and this time Stefan dragged Elena into his deceit.

Patpet

Emily was helping them because as Damon explained, few episodes back, the town people would have get to her too and to her children. So in the scene when you see Damon in the past telling Stefan that what was happening was his fault, immediately after we see him running away. As he said, he run to Emily to to beg her to help him to save Katherine in exchange she made him promise to save her family and her lineage, and so he did, before she betray him too in the present day by destroying the crystal.

Harry Allen
>>64059515

Ahhhhh ok, I remembered their initial deal but I think my brain just did not compute at the time that of course witches would have been hunted too lol. I think my issue was that I didn't understand how a witch could be found out simply because there isn't any physical evidence you know? Like with vampires there's vervain and dead bodies and all that. But still, the fear that you could be during those times must have been great, especially looking at the history of the Salem witch trials where even non-witches were killed.

Harry Allen
>>64057605

I just don't understand how Stefan can be so ignorant in his understanding of his brothers actions, They are so black and white. I suppose when you have spent this many years putting someone into a box, its impossible to take them out.

Harry Allen
>>64048917

Yeah I found it really interesting how they threw that one in out of nowhere, excited to see what else that entails!

Harry Allen
>>64048245

I love shows like this where they actually LET you connect the dots as so many shows have to retell scenes so people understand which just gets annoying lol. It seemed like Elena lying really hit him, but I'm sure he can see right through his brothers manipulation and knows she wouldn't have done it if she had the full story. Tbh I didn't really think about the difference between their relationships with Katherine so thank you for bringing that up, so interesting to think aobut!

Patpet
>>64059515

Emily was the handmade of Katherine and she arrived with her so it is obvious that she would be a target too, since being so close to Katherine would make it impossible not to know she was a vampire. So witch or not she would be considered a sympathiser.

Patpet
>>64057605

The relationship between the two brothers is very complex and beautifully written. The writers formed the entire story of them singularly as humans, as vampires and together, and every actions, every motivation, every reaction, is psycologically consisten with their personal story, issues, character traits, their traumas etc, and to what happen to them and how. We just hit the tip of the iceberg, but already with this episode we have been given some very important clues. We know already that their relationship as human was of close friedship and love. It is understandable how two brothers in the 1800, growing up in a small town, very sheltered, would rely on each other for everything. But also we seen a first glimse of their relationship with their father and it is clear that Stefan is father favorite and Damon has a very conflictual, confrontational relationship with him. In a small town where everybody is under close scrutiny, and the Salvarore where considered, as Damon said, like royalty, Damon, as the first born and has inheritant of the estate, was under much pressure, pressure Stefan didn't have to bare. Also the fact that Damon went to war to please his father but he didn't wanted to take part anymore since he didn't believe in it, would have created quite a scandal. There is more. His father consider Damon " a constant disappiontment" and doesn't approve of who was dating. So it is obvious now that Damon was considered a bit of a black sheep in the family and Stefan, even though there was a close bond between them, grow up with this concept of him. As per Damon growing up as a "constant disappointment", had an impact on him too. But that is just a little part of their story, things are much more complicated then that. Their story and their relationship will be unveiled bit by bit, as the truth about what happen to them in their past will unfold. And I can tell you are going to love it just as we do. This show is so magnificently written.

Patpet

By the way there is an hilarious account from Ian and Paul of a scene from this episode that you have to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o09RDR8hc94

Archna
>>64048245

Same, it is all the more fun to be able to connect the dots and know that the writers knew what they were trying to achieve. Damon was very hurt with Elena's betrayal because like he said he was suspicious of his brother but with her, he wanted to believe her especially after their road trip bonding. But Elena did believe Stefan and thought it was the right thing to do and for her Damon rescuing her once and the road trip wasn't going to enough for her to believe in Damon completely. Yeah, the difference between the Salvatore brother's relationships with Katherine is not something I picked up at first but later I did realise that these flashbacks were pivotal to be able to understand where and why both the brothers stand at different places when it is concerning Katherine.

Harry Allen
>>64097170

Heh, them trying to act serious while seeing that must have been hilarious LOL

Harry Allen
>>64059515

Oh shit yeah idk what I was thinking lol. He literally said sympathizers would have the same fate.