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The Vampire Diaries S2E13 - "Daddy Issues" - UNCUT (Patreon)

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Patpet

Let’s talk about Tyler. I love Caroline too and her point of view is perfectly understandable. There is no excuse for what they did to her and surely enough Tyler hesitating in helping her and them to her look a real let down. But let’s look at things from Tyler prospective. Before he turned he didn’t know anything about this supernatural world, nothing. He has grown up as an only child in a very prominent, wealthy family. Had a very comfortable easy life, where his only troubles were his dick...jerk... of a father and his anger issues, he didn’t know was supernatural related. He is a 17 years old boy. All of the sudden he is plunge in this crazy, violent world, where he went through the most traumatic experience of his young life, turning into a werewolf, he learnt that vampire exist, that people he knew all his life are supernatural, that his uncle Mason is being killed, that Caroline lied to him, and that this other people, friends with his uncle are telling him the truth. He also finds himself in a battle situation, where people are killing each other. From an easy life one day, to a dangerous violent scenario few weeks after, you could see what was going on in his head, “If I help Caroline do I end up dead? If I don’t help are the others going to hurt me? What should I do? Which side is my side?”. After an initial moment of confusion, he did help Caroline to get out of her cage, but he didn’t get involved in the battle because he never fight with vampires or werewolves, he doesn’t even know what he can do as a werewolf, nobody told him, he is completely clueless, he didn’t want to get killed or injured. That is why he went to Jules and Brady, to know what he would have loved to learn from his uncle Mason. It’s a bit the same situation when Bonnie lost her grandma, her mentor. He doesn’t have anybody; he doesn’t know who to trust, who to turn to for some kind of guidance. Also Caroline slamming the door to his face, made think that now she hates him. So he is really alone. I agree with you on so many things. Caroline and Stefan friendship is adorable, the stuff he does for her, is so tender and caring. Love them. Also I agree that Paul and Ian shirtless are a show in itself. My god they are exceptionally gorgeous. The shower scene....I share the feelings, totally understandable. Now, Damon. The difference between the two brothers and their relationship with their vampirism is polar opposite. Stefan has a problem with is humanity lost, he repress as much as he can his vampire nature so that when that side come out, it’s uncontrollable. Damon, on the other hand, has accepted that he is a vampire and there is nothing he can do about it, his human life is gone for good, he is a vampire and is in the nature of a vampire to feed on human blood, human blood is food, it is what keep them alive, and their nature push them to kill as a fix, as a pain killer to their overwhelming emotions that are very heighten. So Damon problem are his emotions, his human side, he wishes to be human because he find very difficult to handle heighten emotions, and the pressure Elena is putting on him to be what he cannot be, is unbearable. Elena has no clue, she thinks that all vampire should behave like Stefan do, but Stefan is pretending to be human, she has no clue of the straggle they are going through and how dangerous it is to repress their nature. We had a glimpse in season one of Stefan vampire side coming out to play. So killing to get a fix didn’t work, at all, he had no pleasure from killing that girl. Rose is gone, so he finds another distraction, Andy.

Archna

Another great episode! Firstly I would like to talk about Tyler and Caroline. We knew that once Tyler knows about Mason's death; he would have questions but because he found out about it from a third party it has made things complicated. He trusted Caroline because she had been there for him when no one could be and that person to betray you is going to sting. Now I do not blame Caroline because we know that she had her reasons. She hid things from him because she also has a code of loyalty to her vampire crew because they also stand by her. However after all that she went through this episode, her anger is also justified. She is hurt because she had expectations from Tyler and vice versa. Hopefully they can sort things out because I do like them as friends. Stefan was again a true friend to Caroline. He reached the minute she had told him that there was trouble. He respected her choice and tried to work things with Tyler. I think he could have tried a little more but again I understand that Stefan wasn't close with Tyler so he couldn't pretend. And the scene at the end where he makes sure that he brings Elena and Bonnie to stay with Caroline was the sweetest gesture. I do adore them as buddies. It's very genuine and it's a bond that grew on it's own pace. Damon in this episode again hits a new turning point. As we saw in the beginning of the episode he was on edge. After losing Rose, he isn't able to deal with his emotions again. The scene between the brothers when they’re talking about John and Damon’s response to Stefan about his caring nature coming to the forefront is interesting. I find most Defan scenes after season one completely fascinating. Because once Stefan recognizes that his big brother is in love with Elena and indulging his humanity for the first time in decades, things start to change between them. The progress may not always be positive, but it is progress, nonetheless. Damon and Stefan’s bond started to heal because they needed to protect Elena. Their mutual love for her forced them to work as a team to keep her safe. And that forced them to deal with their century and a half of baggage. “It means I care Stefan. It means I’m changing and evolving into a man capable of greatness. Better watch your back, because I may just have to go get a hero hairdo of my own and steal your thunder.” This is what it is all about for me. This is why everything seems to come back to Damon no matter who is involved or what the story line happens to be. This is what the writers are building towards, the direction they’ve been heading in since the beginning. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Damon is one-of-a-kind in this show, has been in a league of his own since the pilot. Of every main character, he is the only one who was originally presented as a villain. But not really a villain. An anti-hero. A dark knight with shadowy morals and dangerous impulses and vicious power bubbling below the surface. It’s all smoke and mirrors. Unless you know what to look for. His sarcastic mannerisms don’t detract from the importance of this confession. We all know he means it. We all know he cares. Admittance is a critical step for someone like Damon, whose spent so much of his vampire life claiming to NOT care about anything. And now he’s barely even trying to hide it. When he goes to meet Elena again we see him talking about how he is the good now. His tone would infer otherwise because he isn’t comfortable being totally serious about his current internal changes yet. But this is important. Because just last episode he was putting up walls as Rose was dying and claiming he had no reason to act human when he wasn’t. And then he killed someone. Yet here he is, nonchalantly stating to this girl he loves that he’s actively trying to be good. Speaking about Elena manipulating Damon. I agree with your answer Harry that we can call it manipulation but at the end of the day Elena doesn't ill intentions and Damon is aware about the same so he actually listens. He has always known that Elena is capable of manipulation but he also knows that she has her reasons and he doesn't judge for it. As for me I like that she has this expectation of him. That despite how royally he fucked up at the start of the season, she still believes he is capable of being better. She lapsed temporarily when he killed Jeremy. Understandably. But at the end of it all, it didn’t matter that she claimed she’d given up on him because she didn’t really. She can’t. She forgives him everything because she sees his potential. She recognizes what he hides from everyone else. She’s caught enough glimpses of his humanity until this point to cling to the notion that Damon can change. Not just because she requests it in this way, with encouragement and force. Because along with her support and her trust is his love. And Damon’s love is not to be underestimated. It will drive him to accomplish anything. Moving on to the bathroom conversation. There’s just so much to love about the tension and passion and raw emotion taking place in that bathroom at the Mystic Grill. But I’m going to focus specifically on the shoulder touch. And the reaction it elicits from Damon. He snaps at her a little in response because she’s unsettling and unbalancing him and everything he’s known for decades. She’s tilted his world completely and she continues to do it constantly whether she knows it or not. His struggle with his feelings for Elena is two fold: he loves her, much more than he’s ever loved anyone, Katherine included. And he can’t have her. She is seemingly beyond his grasp for all time. And he respects that. He understands that this girl isn’t his and she supposedly never will be. But there’s a twist here: it has nothing to do with Stefan. That isn’t why Damon can’t have her. In 2x08, Damon let Elena go, compelled her to forget his love for her so she could be happy with his brother without him in the middle. And that would imply that Stefan is what is keeping Damon from acting on his feelings. But that isn’t the reason. That’s not why Damon keeps his love relatively in check. He does it for Elena. Regardless of how he’s trying to be different and better, both because he must and because she insists it, Damon is aware enough of his own weaknesses to recognize why he’s not good for Elena. I have always loved that Damon is accepting of his flaws and his vampire nature. He knows that he is vulnerable and is capable of immense love and devotion but that brings him a lot of pain too. So he mostly tends to cover up. And that is why he fights his feelings. He knows he fucked up when he killed Jeremy. He knows he has the potential to mess up spectacularly again. And that next time he might not get lucky enough that the victim of his impulse survives. Damon isn’t protecting the sanctity of Elena’s relationship with his brother because that isn't his job. He’s protecting her from himself. His own demons are what stand between him and this girl he loves more than life itself. So Andie gives him a small wake up call. Love does have the ability to change people for the better. No matter how hard one tries to be indifferent, if you have a heart it will melt. I am not supporting Damon's manipulation of Andie because on a human level it is wrong. However this is vampire diaries and one cannot use the same morals here. Damon Salvatore is a vampire and has been for a very long time. He has accepted his nature as a vampire and uses the tricks to his advantage. He cannot be pretending to not be a vampire for whom the human blood is food.

Patpet
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I agree what is perceived of Damon character from his very first appearance is the fact that he is charismatic and his presence on the screen give to TVD a interesting edge. We know immediately that there is more to him than he let everybody to believe. I don't understand why people perceive him as selfish, perhaps because he says that about himself, a lot or because Stefan is saying it, but here the writers use it as an antithetical word, because he proves times and times again to be quite the opposite. And the glimpse of his humanity that only viewers are allowed to see, because he doesn't let anybody to see his very vulnerable, tender side of him and there is a reason for it, we know but Harry has yet to discover it, it is astonishingly kind-hearted. He is the embodiment of an anti-hero, but in the best and most interesting sense of the term. His not wanting to show a softer side, apart from the fact that is a self defence mechanism against getting hurt, it is also very consistent with the time he was born, and brought up as young man. Damon is an hopelessly romantic and very much a man of his time, were showing emotions and vulnerability was consider something a man shouldn't do. Damon remind me of my grandfather and of my father where that type of culture was still very much in place. Men have to be tough and never cry, they have get on with whatever is thrown at them and deal with it showing strength of character. I realise pretty early with my father that that toughness was just a facade, because when I gave him a hug his ears would go red and an half smile would show up on his face. That is very much what is happening with Damon and Elena, when she shows him physical affection and care, by hug him or touch him, he just melts. by he doesn't want to show it. Damon character is so fascinating.