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The Vampire Diaries S4E4 - "The Five" - UNCUT (Patreon)

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Mimi

I love your reaction! Especially your comments on Rebecca. And great response to my question! keep up the great work :)

Archna

I am on the same page as you Harry regarding your feelings for Rebekah and her being emotionally abused at almost every given point she's tried to let her guard down and be vulnerable. It's extremely upsetting and sad! For me, this was the most heart-breaking moment of hers. Klaus doesn't surprise me with his acts anymore honestly. But I loved that in this episode, Rebekah didn't hold herself from saying all the things Klaus should be hearing from her all the time he's done her wrong. And we know Rebekah isn't a saint. She has done wrong things herself, but she does know when she is wrong and in her own ways tried to make amends. The whole history reveal about 'the five' is very interesting and I think in this show the writing is so crucial and so good that one can't get tired of praising the fact the everything has logical reasoning and a backstory to support the content. I don't think anything like this can be remade or even attempted. The cure for vampirism was shocking to say the least. I mean imagine after all these years of living as a vampire thinking this to be the only choice, to hear about the possibility of there being a cure must be crazy and hard to believe. Stefan willing to backstab Rebekah by teaming with Klaus was just a glimpse of how far he would be willing to find this cure, but the question is, why? I mean we know if they find the cure, it will be a great opportunity to make the choice about if they want to continue being vampires for the rest of eternity or be humans again, but wouldn't there be consequences? I am not judging Stefan for this even I hated what happened with Rebekah because I get it, he has a motive for it but what I will say though is that no one is truly better than the next one person in this show. Now coming to Damon, Elena and Bonnie's trip to Whitmore college, I like the little moments of banter between Bonnie and Damon😂Damon using his own experience to help Elena figure out how to choose her prey was a good way to show how he thinks when he is out to hunt. Elena making the move but stepping back the moment she sees that this girl has family was again really good writing. It won't happen this easily for Elena, her compassion will come in the way. So, the frat party and her finding the roofie guy to feed on was just the right way for her to ahead and explore. I was super proud of her just like Damon was proud of her to be able to feed, have fun and not kill. It's a huge accomplishment and just seeing her smile and jumping into his arms out of joy was prove of how good she felt after so many days. Them being covered in blood and dancing at the frat was best!!! Dance is tradition for them but what made this important in the episode was that Elena was able to be herself around Damon because she knows he isn't judging her. He let herself be and have fun alone and then like magnets these two are drawn to each other and start dancing in this sexy and hot manner forgetting about everyone else existing around them. It was them🖤 All of Elena's shame comes flooding in the second that she sees Bonnie looking at her in disappointment. It's like all of her sudden she started seeing herself from Bonnie's eyes and she started saying things that Bonnie would like to hear Elena saying. Like how she should be with Stefan and going through all of this with him, when she just couple of hours ago she was the one who explained to Stefan why and how she couldn't put him through this. While I understand Elena's feelings and how she must be feeling, it breaks my heart for Damon. Damon was here only to help Elena enjoy herself away from judgement and learn how to feed and he was successful in his attempt. But he can't help her let go of her fear of being judged. I didn't like how Elena suddenly felt like Damon was the wrong one person to seek help from and she should be here with Stefan instead. Like, yeah sure only if you would like the entire party to be ripped away. It just felt like he was just being replaced because there was no other choice and it's not fair. I loved that the moment Bonnie decided to go after Damon and try to paint him as the villain in the moment, he shut her up!! Like no, Elena was doing what she wanted to do. Damon wasn't giving her instructions every second and she's not a kid. She is an adult who can make her choices and choose how to act herself. So, this whole thing about 'ohh you made her do this' was bullshit. Damon chooses to live his life as a vampire in the way he knows and something that does work for him. He has stopped being ashamed of being a vampire and all the aspects that come with it. He isn't someone who is feeding himself from the vein that often either because we don't see him doing it. He is okay to take blood from the blood bags. So, it's not that he doesn't know other ways to survive. And again, he isn't telling Elena what kind of a vampire to be because that again he can't make her be something she isn't. All he is trying to do is say stop being afraid of being who you're simply because you fear others around you telling you're not what they think you to be all the time. As Elena herself said she couldn't feed on the girl in college because she is still herself. But she is also now a vampire who needs to feed to survive. She clearly can feed and not kill anyone. So that will work for her if she chooses it for herself. She knows Damon is right but her accepting it is scary. While Bonnie was judging Damon in this episode, at the end of the day Elena was able to process what Damon was saying about vampires because she is experiencing it.... she wouldn't have fun if she didn't find it fun no matter what Damon tried. And know that deep down she believes it. I don't care how and what she decides for herself as long as it's her choice and she isn't suffering. Right, in this episode I saw both sides of her. She was having fun and being herself at the frat party and it would have ended up just fine even if Bonnie didn't come in there with her judgement. And then we also saw how Elena couldn't confess the truth to Stefan about how she felt and actually lied that it was awful. It wasn't awful but it became awful because her friend judged her and knowing Stefan, he might do it too. There is a difference in saying that oh you're being different and you're just awful. Sorry if I went on a bit of a ramble but honestly it frustrates me when I see Damon being treated like an outcast in these moments even when he wasn't doing anything horrible but just trying to help and everything was in control. And I felt bad about Elena feeling this shame once again only after maybe an hour or two of being free.

Karianna

i find it so interesting when Damon is describing the people in the lecture hall, his whole assessment of the "blonde girl" pretty much exactly matches szn 1 caroline and probably why he went after her in the first place.

Archna
>>92627659

It's true those are the reasons he went after in S1. He had been observing the whole day, figured she was attracted towards him, and it made it easier for him to see her as his prey.

Patpet

Dear Harry believe me there isn’t any question raised that the writers aren’t going to answer. But what I love the most about this show is that the supernatural is used as a device to tell us about authentic human straggles. We can connect with what the characters are going through and empathise with them, because they keep it very real and to keep it real they use allegories that are obvious, most of the time, to show us what, as adults we already know, experienced and therefore recognise, and to show kids what life will through at them. There is something in this episode that needs to be cover, since the rest has already been talked about it wonderfully by Archna, as usual, I will concentrate on one point, sorry is going to be lengthy, there is a lot to say. Going back to what is real. Elena is at the stage of her life, where she is in between of leaving her teen years, leaving the girls behind becoming a woman. That coincide to her becoming a vampire. So what does it means in terms of her development as a person? What she is going through really? We all experienced it. It is hard to let go of childhood, full of black and white certainties about rights and wrongs and realise that life has tons of nuances we need to decipher. It’s scary, because force us to question our self and what do we stand about things, question what we need and want, and we are pressured to choose our path in life. In humans that period could be stretch and delayed to a point that you can bury yourself into denial and be a Peter Pan avoiding taking decisions and postponing the inevitable. Elena can’t. Her becoming a vampire, is forcing her to confront what kind of vampire (person) she wants to be, now and that decision is not optionable or dilatable. If she wants to live she has to feed, if she wants a “normal” as possible life and to go to college, she has to be a functional vampire, learning how to feed without killing people. She cannot feed from blood bag, not from animals, (and there is a reason for that that will be explained too) so she has to adapt, by adapting, she has to toughen up emotionally, understanding that there is a way to exist as a vampire (as a woman) by being less “nice” and getting emotionally stronger at the point of getting things that should be done, done. In my country we say: “A pitiful doctor makes the sore purulent”. Being stronger emotionally doesn’t means being bad or selfish, means being less judgemental and dramatic and grow up, realising that you are not perfect and that life is much more complicated you though it would be when you were young and that requires you to see things differently, to be less harsh smoothing the edges, be less black and white and be more in the grey area, being more kind to yourself allowing yourself to be unperfect and be fine with it, for your sake and the sake of people you love. That is what Elena is straggling with, growing up and accepting that she isn’t perfect, life isn’t perfect, and accepting it, that is what does mean to be an adult, letting go of your childhood and embracing your future as it comes as scary and uncertain it can be. By the way drinking from blood bag isn’t less harmful to people then feeding from the actual people and make them forget; blood bags are in the hospital for a reason, not to let people die, if you deplete the blood bank of an hospital not only you commit a felony but you might kill the person those blood bags are meant for. Blood bags are there for vampires not to be so harshly judged it is a more sociably accepted way to feed, but is not the most harmless way to feed, Damon’s way is, “snatch, eat and erase” has no consequences for anybody and he can even make it fan. Damon doesn’t judge Elena and he is not just concern with her feeding to stay alive and not killing anybody, he is also concern with her state of mind with accepting joyfully her new life, to make pace with her being a vampire (an imperfect human being) and accepting it. Damon is helping her transitioning into a functional vampire (into an adult) whatever that vampire/adult will be. Stefan and everybody else are holding her back, keeping her a girl, Damon is setting her free to be a woman, she isn’t ready to embrace yet apart from when she is with Damon. And in that dance, she was free, she allowed herself just to be. She is like that only with Damon, like she was during their first road trip, or when they dance first together, Elena with anybody else is still a girl concern to fit in, in what her friends want her to be, in the box she put herself as girl, a box that is now unfitting with what she is experiencing. With Damon she is a woman, carefree from judgement and just free to explore what being herself now means. Damon isn’t judgemental because when life gave him lemons, he made a lemonade out of it, and to be honest that is the most positive and healthy way to be, and is not pretending of being the righteous teacher Stefan is, Damon is ten times more thoughtful and wise about it and this time he stood up for himself with Bonnie and he is so right, she wasn’t out of control, she was perfectly in control, and she was having fun, in the scene that is one of the most sensual I ‘ve even seen. The connection, the intimacy they had was real and powerful, dancing toward each other like magnets, mirroring the other movements, dancing with the same feelings, him showing her his neck in abandonment, her feeding off his chin while the song is playing “I feel so close to you right now, it’s a force field, I wear my heart upon my sleeve, like a big deal, your love pours down on me, Surround me like a waterfall, And there's no stopping us right now” It doesn’t get more powerful and sensual than that. And the acting..."you have 36 second to express sensuality and intimacy while dancing seductively...go"...they understood the assignment!! Only him can make her feel that way, and she knows it, but that isn’t socially accepted and imply she needs to let go with the past and embrace the adult she decides to be and stand her ground because as the song in the end is saying “Whatever is happening is happening here And I'm a fool for thinking otherwise”, she is lying to herself and to Stefan, while embracing him. I feel sorry for him.

Maribel Humble
>>92620393

Archna, I get your frustration with Damon's situation after he came out of the frat party with Elena and Bonnie. I agree with you that Damon is not referring that the only way to be a vampire is to enjoy the hunt, the feed, and the kill. He was referring to that those attributes are part of vampire nature, and to ignore it is childish and a very foolish thing to do to pretend those facts don't exist. It is like Damon was saying to the Alaric tombstone: “You know what they are_ children!” It must be incredibly frustrating for Damon to listen to the gang talk like this when he is well aware of all the atrocities he has seen as a vampire and human life. Damon is aware that there are different ways vampires choose to live, like his brother and Caroline. Damon himself was relatively dry and dull when he fed until Sage taught him how to enjoy it. Damon stopped Elena from killing Matt when she lost control, the friend she gave her life for. What was Elena doing before she lost control with Matt? She was focusing on the negative emotions and she ends up acting violently toward Matt. The blood thirst is a constant for vampires but combining it with negative emotions is dangerous. I love it when Damon said to Bonnie while looking at Elena that he can leave someone breathing and not ripped their head off like his brother because he can make the feeding fun. Bonnie and Elena needed to her that raw truth.

Maribel Humble
>>92639927

PatPet, I love This comment! Nina and Ian sure understood the assignment, dancing so raw and sensual. I love how you bring up that Damon brings out the woman in Elena. It not only sexually that Damon brings out the woman in Elena, he also makes her feel spirited free when they are by themselves, away from judgment. He engages in difficult conversations that adults often have. TVD introduces topics that many fans consider taboo. One of those taboos is Elena's sexuality. Her relationship with Matt had no passion, and Stefan can't let her be on top due to his fear of letting go and becoming the ripper. So what is Elena to do? Deny herself of her sexuality? The way Elena was dancing with Damon screamed of a girl who wants to experience her sexuality. Once Elena sees Bonnie watching her dance that way with Damon, that magic moment evaporates; she physically deflates and flees the dance floor. Once outside the frat party, Elena is freaking out because “oh no! Good girls don't do that! What is she is supposed to do? Write in a diary and dwell on her problems? It is not a coincidence that it was Bonnie in that scene, a girl who has yet to explore her sexual side wholeheartedly . It is not an accident that Elena's friends can't see her outside the perimeter of a good girl on the show. Society has been putting women in socially acceptable behavior for millennia. Good girls are supposed to live happily ever after, yet many have not experienced an orgasm. That amazing and beautiful electrical current passing through your body. Many women can't even come; they have to fake it to make their partner happy because, oh no, a woman can't express what she wants in bed. It's not what good girls do. Why is it acceptable for a man to enjoy his sexuality but not for a woman? I get frustrated with how harshly Elena's character is scrutinized throughout the media. She gets treated as Damon or Stefan's property, but she is not her own person. The main characters are so misunderstood by the fans.

Patpet
>>92639927

100% correct. You know How many times I had to argue that Elena is only actrated physically to Damon, like being actracted physically to a potetial partner is a deminishing factor of a relationaship. If you take sex out of the acquasion is just caring loving friendship, that is dumed relationship. I'm italian and you know we have a very low rate of divorce, why? Because the secret formula for a perfect long term relatioship is 33% respect 33% estime 33% strong sexual compatibility, you look for your partner among your most suited sexual lovers, sexual intimacy is the glue that carry the relationship through the years even through difficult times. Being in a realtionship and feeling unfulfilled sexually or undesired is one of the most hurting and umiliating things ever. There is nothing wrong in wanting a realtionship to be complete, that is what an adult relationship is, So I'm with you entirelly, Elena shouldn't be judge for wanting more, it's healty, it's mature, it's a ticket to long term happiness. Nobody should to be in a relationship where the sex is... meh.

Maribel Humble

The scene where Rebehak weakness was used against her to get the hunter's sword was unsettling and hard to watch. It's preferable to know who your enemy is because at least you can see it coming and prepare yourself. How do you prepare yourself when someone connects with you but uses it against you? Most of the time, those people who pretend to be your friends are the ones that plunge the knife the deepest.