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The Vampire Diaries S5E16 - "While You Were Sleeping" - UNCUT (Patreon)

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When Stefan tries to explain recent events to a very sick Elena, her first instinct is to call Damon. At the same time, Damon is trying to figure out how to make a disturbing confession to Elena. While going through Dr. Wes' files, Caroline discovers a frightening secret, and is surprised when Enzo appears, claiming to have the solution everyone is searching for. At Enzo's insistence, Caroline asks Stefan to meet her at a mysterious location where they are joined by a group of Travelers, including Sloan, who reveals new information on the importance of doppelgängers. During spring break on a mostly deserted Whitmore campus, Elena runs into Luke, a student who seems to know her, though she has no memory of meeting him. Recently dumped by his boyfriend, Luke proposes that he and Elena spend the break getting drunk together, but she sends him off on an urgent mission to find Bonnie and the newbie witch, Liv. Damon finally tells Elena the truth about his recent activities, and they come to a new agreement about their relationship.

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Harry Allen
>>110591112

NOOOOO, thank you for letting me know, idk why this has happened twice recently ffs

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❤️

Samuel Fernandez

Luke💙, i remember being excited for having a gay witch // your reactions always worth the wait. The little twist part... 😅

Patpet

Ok. Let’s remind us that this is a Vampire show and the rules are different and are set by the writers, this is the creative writers world and we have to enter it leaving outside the door our everyday normal moral judgement, that would take us on the wrong track and trust the writers to take us to an exploration journey into the human condition by throwing humongous curve balls to the characters making them go through stuff that if they were real normal human being, they would be all into a mental institution with no chance for recovery. So what is the point of this exercise? it is fundamentally to teach us not to judge the books by the cover, not to be judgemental before knowing all the facts, to think about if we would go through the same stuff would we do better? Are we sure? And to that add the multiplying factor, that is a big deal in this universe, Vampires feels 10 time more intensely than we do. So, let’s remember the last time we had our heart broken, a loss , a trauma and imagine to feel the same thing we did, ten time more powerfully, how would we do, then? That is an exercise to put ourself into others shoes. So let go back to what we are really dealing here in the show. Damon and Elena built their relationship step by step, through mistakes, through trust, through all the traumatic events they share, through time that allow them to understand what they want as a partner, what they want in life, how much they understand each other, how Elena knows that Damon is a good person and that his love is just as deep as she will ever get. I would say that with everything they went through, the love they have for each other isn’t based on a flimsy feeling that can be easily discarded with no consequences, they are a unit. So what are the writer saying here? What kind of relationship did you built? Something worth fighting for or a superficial thing you can easily dismiss? Is your relationship real at the point that when life through at you big curve balls, a big bump on the road, you quit and run, or you lay your card down on the table and together, as a couple. sort whatever is coming at you? Damon and Elena are NOT unicorn and rainbows, they are not based on manipulation and pretentiousness, they are real, and as any real couple they will have to go through in life big problems, big adjustments as most people do. Damon was never loved before, so he needs reassurance, he needs to work on his issues, sure, but Elena knows that, she doesn’t know what those issues are, but she can sense that he needed compassion, love, not judgement. And believe me, Damon has a very, very, let me repeat that, VERY good reason for his emotional outburst. He is fighting to get better and he progressed so much. He didn’t snap because Elena split up with him, because when they split up before and he was fine, Elena wouldn’t hurt him, she doesn’t know everything about Damon, he hasn’t tell her all his traumas, to manipulate her into feeling sorry for him, he would never do that to her, nor to himself. But she can read people very well and she can sense that Damon is worth of love, she doesn't need to know. But Katherine knows, and it was her splitting up with him and she knows how to crush him deeply with the nastiness that only an unfeeling dark empath can. So why Damon use the word toxic to refer to their relationship? He is testing himself and Elena, to know what is really a relationship, what she really things, and she understood he needs time to tackle his issues, and he had the reassurance that she doesn’t think they are a toxic couple, just because they had big bump on the road, she still loves him. And they both make sure to let the other knows of their feelings for each other as real couple do after a fight, sex, a renewed intimacy affirmation.

Patpet

Just a clarification about what a “toxic relationship” is, because these words are flying around and applied way too loosely and randomly, without really realising the meaning of it. Also, we have to remember that the writers on the show constantly use antiphrasis, so let’s not take literally what the characters say but let’s put things into contest. So, what are the signs of a toxic relationship: Lack of support; toxic communication, (meaning that all communications are not loving and caring but are filled with sarcasm, criticism and contempt); envy and jealousy; controlling behaviour (when your partner wants to know constantly where you are, who you are with, why you don’t reply to his messages immediately, etc.) ; resentment (Holding on to grudges and letting them fester chips away at intimacy); dishonesty; Patterns of constant disrespect; Negative financial behaviours (taking advantage for the other partner finance); Constant created stress to put your partner on edge with the purpose of control; Ignoring the other needs; Stop relationships around the partner (friends, family etc.) creating a vacuum; hoping for a change that never comes; walking on eggshells. Now a question. How all of this ever applied to Damon and Elena??? Never ever. They are very supportive, their communications is full of love and care, never either of them show jealousy, let alone envy; Damon or Elena never had controlling behaviour, or resentment or dishonesty or wanting the partner not to have friends; money never enter into their conversation, Damon is loaded and he didn’t hesitate to give his house to Elena when she needed a safe place; he makes her feel alive and safe and she makes him feel deeply loved and chosen; he is working on his issues, for himself and for her and for their relationship and she is less judgemental more open to rethink her certainties due to young age. So in conclusion: No, they don’t have a toxic relationship, they are the absolute opposite of a toxic relationship. They have problems, as normal couple would with the added difficulties that vampires couple would have, and fortunately for us otherwise the show would be as boring as hell, but their relationship is very real, as real as we would all want to have a partner with those qualities, that treat us as they treat each other, with love, compassion, understanding, selflessly, wanting the best for each other, working through life as a team, as a unit, as real partners, as lovers, as strong non quitters people. Even if your partner screw up something (we are all imperfect creatures bound to screw things up something, before or after) you can be free to tell him/her off without fearing that an argument/disagreement for how strong and heated it can be, doesn't make under question the love you have for each other and the fact that you are together as one. Welcome to serious, loving, committed, mature, adult relationships.

Tina

I had to laugh so hard at the word "toxic". In what world is Elena and Damon's love toxic? Their love is so real and deep. You can see and hear it when they talk to each other on the phone. Their voices change and so do their facial expressions. Everything becomes gentle and loving. They flirt with each other, tell each other how much they need each other, make cheeky remarks and have serious dialogues. You get a glimpse into their lives when they are unobserved and alone. Just Damon and Elena, without the constant interference, patronising and condemnation from the others in the group. I love these phone conversations. And now back to this supposedly toxic love. Love is not always pink confetti, unicorns and sunshine. If you believe that, you also believe in the Easter Bunny. Love is also fight and pain. Love is also wonderful and consuming. Love is also responsibility and forgiveness. Yes, and love is also change. Every partner changes in a relationship. Just like Damon has been doing for a long time. Let's just think about Damon from season one. Elena changes too, of course. She is no longer the little schoolgirl who had a childhood love affair with Stefan. She has grown up. Because life and love always mean change. Of course, everyone is afraid of changing themselves or their partner too much, but that happens automatically when you love and trust each other. It can be a very beautiful experience if you let it. So we just give Elena and Damon some time. The last two minutes are just great and intense. They fight and then all it takes is a touch to ignite them. They need each other so much. They just need to forget about the rest of the world. Because this world is constantly threatening them and trying to separate them. Yes, and if this world were to win, it would be terrible, because I don't think they can live without each other.

Kitty Underwood

Yes, Klaus' hybrid spell is the only spell that required a human doppleganger, as well as him turning other hybrids, because that is how Esther worked the spell. Also, this season is where a lot of retcons start happening, so just keep that in mind too

Anaïs

I agree very much with you. I think their relationship is very toxic. To begin with, I have touch on the writers, I personally think since S3 it's been a let down and easy writing all around, with messy plotlines. The writers are known for bending the show's writing for fanservice, Elena and Damon was never supposed to be in the original work, here the writers specially Julie were a lot biased with Ian (and his character). Elena was always defined by compassion, kindness and even some naivety, she is forgiving by nature but her transformation and writing since she is a vampire has been a big let down. Her traits should be heightened as a vampire, because as a human she couldn't take Damon's actions and it should have been even more difficult to deal with as vampire, but instead we are seeing her bending time and time again the morals she has, to excuse Damon. Damon too, he really need to work on himself. He is clinging onto her to become a "better" man instead of doing this for himself, so we end with scenes where his mental stability is relying on whenever his relationship with Elena is going well or not. It happened before they were even together, Elena wasn't okay with that behavior back then but now she is looking over it, it's disappointing to me. I don't wanna be too harsh but I really feel like it's character assassination for Elena to write her this way so she can just be Damon. To me their relationship is very much toxic, and Damon need to work on himself ... alone.

Patpet
>>110727729

Oh dear! Perhaps you should read my comment on the meaning of the word toxic, and no there is nothing toxic there. "Julie was known to do fan service" "Julie were a lot biased with Ian" says who? Were you part of the people working on the show, knowing that for a fact having witness that with your own eyes? I personally prefer to stick to facts. When they started to shoot the pilot, they had outlined 4 seasons already. So they knew that Delena was happening, and you can tell, Season 1 episode 19, the Delena dance? And that is the most obvious foreshadowing, but there are plenty of clues and teease, that are pretty obvious. Also Delena was very much a strong will from the original writer of the books, you just have to do a Google research into the book and seen it for yourself. Harry is a first timer watcher and forgot a lot and because of that, it is difficult to connect everything plus he doesn't know the whole story, so he is justified. But we are here, also, to help him to remember and connect the dots, so that his reaction look intelligent and well though, helping him to make his channel grow, not to feed him fake unchecked news, he cannot check things because of spolers, we have to help him giving him checked facts. There are lot of silliness and nastiness spread by certain stan that actually hate TVD as it is because they would have rather to have Elena never growning up, stack in a fake romance only out of loyalty, (and this is how L. J. Smith defined Stefan and Elena romance by the end) with the level on dept of a shallow teen drama show. Fortunately TVD is better than this, is way more complex, way more deep, way more adult and require an intelligent audience that actively connect the dots and is willing to learn about psychology and apply normal wisdom and life experience to recognise what the writers are takling in that moment. Delena happen for a reason, it's a jorney to adulthood by Elena and not understanding that is not understanding 5 seasons of explaing why, in details, not to mention the other 3 we still have to do. Also talking about writing you have to be knowlegable of the process of writing before any specific criticism, because the lack of knowledge give you a false prospetive and make you not understanding what is going on, making you think that is "a let down and easy writing all around, with messy plotlines" when is actually anything remotelly like you think. Understanding requires knowlegde. If I were you I wouldn't pay any attention to silly things spread by the show haters that are totally unsubstantiated by any fact and spread because silly kid didn't like how the story goes, that isn't a way to watch any show, nor to spread unsubstantiated nastiness against the writers that find zero base on reality and very few bother to research if there is any truth on any kind in what this silly kids are saying, like I do, believe me I did a lot of research, because I would never find myself spreading malicious fake damaging news agaist anybody just because internet allow me to say just about anything without consequences. But that is just me an old fashion lady that have certain ethical standards and like not to assume anything for a fact before checking if the things I ear are consided worth mentioning because based of proven facts. And also because putting myself in others shoes, I would never wanted to be on the receiving hand of a fabricated slander. Listening and taking seriously ear and say by random people, it is also not a good way to watch particularly this show requiring a level of understanding that is a little more educated than that, a sensibility of a fondamentally decent and compassionate person and an understanding of the basics of writing that allow you to see how brilliantly this show is written.

Maribel Humble
>>110727729

I wish that the fans remember that it is Stefan telling the story and his story is more beautiful than most can imagine.

Anaïs
>>110727729

@Maribel I personally don't blame the fans, I think the writers forgot about that too, the story originally develop around Stelena and Damon love triangle, Stefan wasn't as compelling as Damon in the TV show so they switched the focus, and I understand why they did that, they wanna keep the fans interest but we end up with some poor writing and execution, including Stefan's character.

Anaïs
>>110727729

@Patpet Look, from what I've seen, you don't like people contradicting you on your beliefs about the show and characters, so you're asking them outright not to write under your comments if they have a different opinion — which is quite extreme when you know that the subject is about a TV show. It's not worth being rude to people in my opinion, and if you want to apply mediums such as psychology to the show — then do so, there is certainly a case for it here, and I think even the writers would be flattered to see such enthusiastic fans, but you also have to recognize that you don't need to consider the rest of the fans — who might be as passionate as you are — who have a different opinion than yours as poorly educated people who do not have enough knowledge to make an adequate judgment. I think everyone's opinion is valid may it might appear unappealing to you. After a show ends, It's always nice to interact with fellow fans who enjoy the show as well, and to see our opinions be challenged, I myself found some very compelling arguments who changed my perception — you just have to be open about it — talking to people about different topics, including here TVD. But I also think you give the writers too much credits, you seem to worship their work. You don't have to be a "show hater" to see the flaws in this show, have some nuance here please, it's not all or nothing. When they started the show they didn't even knew that the Originals were gonna be a thing and take up so much space in the S3 and S4 — so please spare me the "they knew all along" because they didn't know. Many choices were the resolve of the actors as well as for example why Enzo stuck around — he can thank Ian for that. As for them foreshadowing Delena is kind obvious that the show is based on a love triangle, and for that to happen they need to have Elena involved with Damon over the course of the series as much as Stefan — which makes the drama much more compelling. But it was supposed to be about Stelena, and Damon was supposed to settle with Bonnie — this is the adaptation of the work which they ended up going far beyond that, so I don't even consider it an adaptation. On that "factual talk", the actors and writers talked a lot about the show after it ended — including the behind-the-scenes, and from what I've seen you might even disagree with them at this point, because Ian talked about Damon's toxicity and behavior, seem like he might as well be as dumb as the rest of us are to you since he think otherwise. I also think it's quite condescending to consider Harry's opinion as "valid" only to the extent that he is a first timer, as if he couldn't have that opinion even after watching the whole show — a lot of people do. We are not here to tell him what he should think, we are here to enjoy his first reactions and provides him with our personal opinions, emphasis on the word personal here — and not to be rude to people if they lay out a different opinion. So I guess we will have to agree to disagree here.

Maribel Humble

I looked forward to this episode, and I won't lie; it depressed me. I listen to the song “Candy” by Cameo to lighten my mood since the word toxic is used like candy among TVD fandom. The fandom rumors are like the fires in California. It starts with a flake that turns into an inferno, making it hard to stop. If we watch TVD only focusing on what the characters are saying, we only see a small percentage of the story. There are many details to pay attention to in every scene. Imagine that you are experiencing multiple pieces of information from different areas simultaneously. That is TVD. The breakup between Damon and Elena is interesting and important for their relationship, even if this is hard for many fans to imagine. Newmoon gave us details of what was happening to Damon after he killed Aaron. Damon doesn't enjoy the darkness anymore, so it makes perfect sense that Damon would say to Elena that their relationship is toxic. Many seem to forget that it was Damon who broke up with Elena first because he thought he would stir her in the wrong path, so how does this make Damon manipulative toward Elena when he believes that he doesn't deserve her? Nobody will repudiate that Damon and Elena are in a bad place in their relationship, but I don't see them denying their flaws to each other. The fact that they didn't hide or ignore their faults takes them away from the toxic realm. Toxic couples or people don't behave as Damon and Elena did during their breakup. Toxic couples or people don't admit their shortcomings. They manipulate, gaslight, blame others, and even kill their significant other. Toxic people don't thank anyone when their shortcomings are mentioned, yet we see Damon thanking Elena when she does it. Why? Now, let's focus on Damon and Elena's body language. Do we ever see them with a menacing body posture, revolted facial expressions, or resentment? The answer is no. What we do see is Damon and Elena venting their frustration and guilt. Now, guys, if you see your partner with an angry and disgusted facial expression, it's time to pack your bags because that relationship is over. What Damon and Elena need is to work on their issues. The couples that stay married are the ones that work on their problems. No perfect people exist, so how can we expect an ideal marriage? There is none. Every couple has arguments and goes through rough patches. It is unavoidable. The couple that doesn’t fight is the one to worry about because something is brewing underneath, and whatever is about to come out is not good. Marriage is not only for romance but a journey for the brave. I have been married for 22 years, and I had those fairy tales in my head when I first got married, but once the honeymoon was over and reality set in, it was like an ice bucket poured over my head. What a wake-up call it was. Life happens. Life comes as it pleases and without apologies. It is a humbling experience that tests your fortitude like no other. Marriage is where you learn about yourself, and what you might find is not always pretty. The Marriage recipe requires communication, patience, trust, kindness, unselfishness, sacrifice, and forgiveness. It is sewn together by love. None of these incidents comes easy. It is hard. It is the reason there are so many divorces lately. Most things that are difficult to attain are worth the wait, and love is worth it. Now, why do I talk about marriage? My life experiences clarify what is happening with Damon and Elena in that scene. The notion that Damon only changes or does things only for Elena is not valid. Nobody changes for anyone unless it comes from within to do so. If you still think so, ask yourself, did Katherine help anyone as much as Damon did for his loved ones? Did Katherine ever have a friend for the simple pleasure of having a friend? The answer is no.

Patpet
>>110772667

This comment deserves a standing ovation. 👏👏👏

Patpet
>>110727729

Again not a matter of opinion, you make assertions without any prove. I wrongly assume you wanted to be part of the conversation among adult, but you prefer the direct attack to the person to substantiate your unsubstantiated arguments. Not a problem I can easily ignore you as anybody else here. Not that you bring anything to the conversation that is factual or educated or remotely knowledgeable Bye.

Anaïs
>>110727729

@Patpet You see, this response in its aspect is passive aggressive for no reason. I did nothing to warrant such behavior. You have to know how to take a step back and how you should talk to people with whom you disagree — agreeing with everything you says doesn't make it in least interesting if this the kind of conversation you consider as "adult" by the way — especially since you are the instigator of the conversation and you consider yourself knowledgeable to lay out your opinion about this show, then you should be on being civil as well, you make this space quite unwelcoming to be honest. We might indeed as well end this conversation here.

Patpet

Newmoon comment: “When we want to understand and study something small that is hard to see like a bacteria or any other microorganisms, we have to use microscope. This way we can magnify the size by 1000 or more so we could see all the delicate and little details that otherwise is impossible to see but these are only the physical things that are still can be seen and touched, how about those metaphysical things that are invisible like human psyche? fiction could really help us in that department and makes us look at reality with more understandings and from different perspectives , in a fictional world we can create Vampires who feel things more intensely, in TVD universe vampires have some certain qualities that help us understand human psyche better and with multiple angle , everything about their personality is magnified so now we can see how exactly trauma could affect one’s psyche when the emotions and pain are magnified by hundreds, also another way to understand something first we need to discover what complement that thing for example in order to understand heat you have to understand cold first, in order to understand light, you need to discover darkness too, in TVD vampires have the ability to turn off their humanity so now we can see how exactly we can operate without emotion, empathy and guilt. TVD give us opportunities to magnify human psyche by 1000 so we can see all the complexity, the repetitive patterns and all the delicate curve and subtle details in human psyche that is hard to see otherwise. With that said the couples in this show have more intense problems like how everything else is more intense with vampires but how they deal with this issues could define their relationship as toxic or healthy. So about Damon and Elena, it’s not about how intense their problems are based on humans standard , it’s about how they deal with those issues, all couples argue and fight but how they fight is very important.

Patpet
>>110727729

Again the conversation is already ended especially on the note that wrong assumptions are your thing, but you pass them as "opinions". Do you know me? NO. So you assume I am not knowledgeable, as Julie Plec is not competent but very bias, as the writers are a confused and scared of silly girls....because you so know better! 😂 You get your wish granted you will be totally ignored.

Tina

I find it very strange how Elena is described by some people. Yes, Elena is compassionate, but she is also strong, stubborn and she can be very manipulative. She is not the naive little girl. And if we're being honest, her relationship with Stefan was definitely not healthy. I always don't understand why people don't see that. Never questioning your partner's decisions and always accepting them is not normal at all. Stefan even accepted Elena's suicidal decisions. He let her drown in the car. Who thinks that's normal??? Then, when Elena and Stefan broke up, Stefan went and turned people into vampires and forced Jeremy to kill them so he could become a hunter. Funnily enough, no one was bothered by that. By the way, Damon wanted to prevent Jeremy from becoming a hunter because he knew how dangerous it was. When Katherine/Elena cruelly breaks up with Damon and he goes off and kills Aaron, he is seen as a monster and once again everyone blames Damon. But in principle we only have to wait until the next problem arises in the group of friends. Because then Damon is needed again and is allowed to do the dirty work for the others. Then he should/can be dangerous, reckless and wild. Then even the self-righteous Caroline won't mind. Well, and Damon won't hesitate to do anything for the ones he loves. Even if they don't love him and despise him afterwards.

Patpet

The point of this show is to make Elena's journey significant, Damon to believe in himself and not let the past nasty traumas effect his life, for Damon and Elena as couple to find stability, for Stefan to stop the self-righteousnes, get humble and self aware and to stop his past love story dictating his love life, for the brothers to find the way back to each other, for the town the community to drop a past full of hatred and discrimination and to move on and be a friendly, inclusive, society full of love and solidarity. That is TVD all wrapped up in brilliant writing, and acting, directing editing, music score in a thought provoking story that is as deep as poetic as beautiful as it gets. Fact. The know-it-all kids gone the ticktock/youtube school to learn how to write better than the multi awarded writers of this show, people that barely can write or read, and have no idea how a show work, what goes on behind the scene, all the work done by so many people, they make me laugh with their clueless arrogance, unfortunately they infest this show like a plague and they have no intention to learn anything for people that knows things because work in the industry and have many years on their shoulders, many books, many films, much experience, much knowledge because kids with an inflated sense of their self importance know better.

Patpet

Another Newmoon comment: That’s my another comment: “ let’s analyse the fight scene when Elena said: you should’ve notice that it wasn’t me she means it like you should’ve known that I would never break your heart like that and Damon knows that too now, that’s why he’s taking full responsibility for what he did because he knows the only reason he didn’t notice was because of his insecurities got in a way and that’s what he needs to work on, specially now that they’ve proven to be wrong. If we go back to the break up scene, at the surface it looks like : “Elena broke up with him and the first thing he did was to go on a killing spree”, but the thing is it’s not about the break up itself , it’s about how the breakup happened and the things that was said in the break up, Katherine used every single of Damon’s weakness and insecurities against him, Elena would’ve never said those things to him even if Elena wanted to break up with Damon she would try to make it as painless as possible, the last thing she wanted do is to hurt Damon even more not actually pouring salt on all of his emotional wounds like Katherine did, so in reality that break up would’ve never happened. Damon and Elena could have a healthy break up and nothing major will happen after that just like the episode before that when Damon himself broke up with her, It’s not like that Damon is incapable of letting Elena go, we’ve seen it time and time again that Damon always put Elena’s happiness above his, from the beginning of the series and after Damon fell in love with Elena, he had to watch the love of his life in love with his brother and all he cared about was Elena’s happiness and her well being even if she’s not with him so why he reacted this harshly to Katherine? One thing to consider is that after all the heartbreak that Damon had to go through, he never lost his faith in love so after he chose to fall in love again he trusted Elena enough to let his guard down and share his insecurities and vulnerability with her knowing she would never use it against him after what Katherine did it was like his worst fear came true that crushed Damon to his core. It was Katherine’s fault, had she not interfered with their relationship they would’ve gotten back together that night but what Katherine did, it brought some unresolved issues to the surface, that taught Damon a lot, made him more aware of his insecurities that he needs to work on. Now from Elena’s pov she knows how much Katherine knows Damon and she knows how much control her love has over him and how Katherine could use this to absolutely crush Damon, she can totally understand why that would push Damon to the deep-end because she already saw this happened before in season 2 when Katherine got under Damon’s skin and pushed him over the edge. Elena knows Damon is driven by love and take that away from him and the only thing that remains is darkness , that’s why Elena is blaming Katherine but Damon won’t allow Elena to blame Katherine, Damon wants Elena to blame him to address the issues in their relationship, he had already learned a lot from the mistakes he’s made and he wants Elena to hold him accountable for them, this is the only way they can grow. One of the huge problem of Stefan and Elena’s relationship was lack of communication, they were afraid of conflict and they pushed their problems under the rug like it didn’t exist but it was only a matter of time until all those issues rose to the surface and destroyed their relationship once and for all. Damon doesn’t want the same fate for their relationship, that’s why he wants Elena to blame him and let her get all of her frustration out rather than keep them bottled up because the issues have to be addressed first in order to be resolved.

Kitty Underwood
>>110727729

I agree with everything you've said here. It's sad that we can't have a different opinion without being told we are uneducated kids. It's not even that serious, this is literally a tv show

Kitty Underwood
>>110781362

I was the same age as the characters when this show first came out, and from the beginning I preferred Damon over Stefan, not just because i like the "bad boys" but because Stefan to me was a hypocrite. Stefan has done countless horrible things, and so has Damon

Tina
>>110781362

That's exactly what I mean. They have both done bad things and I can't understand why Stefan is always seen as the "good vampire". And yes, Stefan is often too hypocritical and self-righteous for me too. But I like him when he shows that he loves Damon and cares for his brother.