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The Sandman 2x02 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Ryan

I may have a bit of a delay discussing some of these, since without going into too much detail, I'm not always living alone at the moment, and I would rather they caught me watching hardcore porn. It would be easier to explain. But that's not the case for this one, so on we go. Remember when I said last season that wherever you thought that cliffhanger with Lucifer's revenge was going, you were way off? Turns out you even say as much here. And this was actually the launch of the only one of the several Sandman spinoff comics to be any good, following Lucifer and Mazikeen on Earth. That comic in turn was adapted (though in practice taking very little from the source material beyond the basic starting concept) into the Fox series Lucifer, which was quite a pleasant surprise, and gave Tom Ellis the distinction of making full canon appearances as the same character on three different networks, with the show moving to Netflix halfway through, plus his cameo in the Arrowverse's Crisis on Infinite Earths. Plus you get plenty more of Tricia Helfer as a manipulative sexpot, and who can say no to that? It's also maybe the only Gaiman-related project to stand any chance of making a return down the line if anyone wants to try it, since it has so little to do with his own concept and the only direct involvement he ever had was narrating a non-canon bonus episode. It'll be interesting to see if it ever happens. It's now much more clear how they're taking steps to fit the rest of the story into this season by focusing the adaptation of Volume 4 entirely on the contest for the Key to Hell, leaving out everything involving the souls coming back to Earth (which makes it kind of weird that they left in Lucifer's line about that very thing, honestly, especially since they took out Death mentioning she couldn't help Dream on this one because she was so busy with it). This included a pair of students from the same university decades apart, who end up escaping Death and creating their own detective agency, leading to their spinoff Dead Boy Detectives which got its own Netflix spinoff just last year, in canon with this series as confirmed by cameos from Death and Despair. Those were easily the highlights of the whole thing, but it did have a lot of promise for improvement so it's a shame it got cut short by Gaiman being unable to be a normal fucking person. I knew it was probably a pipe dream to see Gwendoline turn into Tom Ellis as she left for Earth, but I had a bit more hope of Ian McShane coming back as Odin. Which doesn't mean I wasn't jazzed to see the Blackfish giving his own immediately iconic take on the role, especially alongside Gwayne Hightower fresh off his attack on the Interstellar Song Contest. Surprised they didn't go for a similarly high profile casting for Thor, but with the way this version is like, does anyone really care? Shivering Jemmy is another character who it would seem impossible to recreate in live action, but Lyla Quinn absolutely nails it and I dearly hope her career isn't stunted by having a tainted project like this so early in it. Also a relief that they decided simply transplanting the 2D illustration of Azazel straight from the comic in Season 1's ending wouldn't carry this larger role so they really juiced him up. Bit of an unforced plot hole to keep in the offer of Choranzon with all the same lines after Lucifer herself took his place from the comic in the wizard duel; you'd think Nada alone would be plenty to make the scene work. But everything else here is carried off so well I have a hard time caring.

Thomas Corp

Dream’s in Hell, well, it has been for years, such is life when, oh, right. Morpheus. Never mind. Yes, he enters Hell, you’re expecting the fight. Instead, we get acting. Courtesy of our dear Gwendoline. Where’s her Captain Phasma show again? Love how you were waiting for a penny to drop, like the scenario you described you thought would happen. She very well could have yelled “Psyche!” and all the demons would have bum rushed him. And she would have kept her word. As she said, she would not harm Morpheus whilst within the bounds of Hell. Morpheus seemed surprised by the trickery. I can hear my dad screaming at the stupidity Morpheus exhibited with not catching Lucifer’s exact words of the promise. The one part they didn’t draw attention to was Lucifer promised she would not harm Morpheus whilst within the bounds of Hell. She makes no such promise about others harming him, nor does she promise to stop others from harming him. If Morpheus is that shocked by any of this then he should ask to receive better promises. So, the outcome you anticipated, it could have happened. Instead, she decides to quit, and leave the mess to Lucifer. The decision, I understand. As she says, she used to care so much. About. A great. Many. Things. Then the soul is drained from the endless years of doing her duty of what was expected, which those responsibilities have changed since she was first charged with the task. Did you know that once Hell was nothing more than the absence of God? But then our kind came along. And made it so much worse. Now there are those that argue that that makes no sense as we aren’t capable of evil like Lucifer is, and that’s just it: Evil. Is an abstract. It is a human. Construct. And Lucifer knows well that true to his irresponsible nature, man won’t own up to being its engineer, so he blames his dark deeds on her ilk. But it’s not enough to shadow his own existence. No, he turned Hell into a suffering pit. Why? Because it is beyond our abilities to simply make personal recompense for the sins we commit. No, we choose, rather, to create a psychodrama, and dwell in a foundless belief that “God could never forgive our grievous offenses”. So, we bring our guilt and our inner decay with us to Hell, where the hoarded imaginations of so many gluttons for punishment gave birth to the sickness that has infected the Abyss since the first one of us arrived there, begging to be punished. And in doing so, we have transformed the cold and solitude into pain and misery. As Lucifer describes, she’s spent eons, privy to the flames, inhaling the decay, hearing the wail of the damned. I know what effect such horrors have on the delicate psyche of an angelic being. No wonder, therefore, that Lucifer bounces, as you put it. She’s just throwing the damn towel; giving Morpheus the keys to the kingdom. She no longer wishes to pay for that one small action. I think, as you did, Morpheus of all people would appreciate that. And he now has the key, which he does not want. Like you ponder, who do you get? I’d go for someone like Crowley. Reasonably amoral yet has a little something called integrity, unlike those of Wall Street, and someone whom you can trust (enough) to have your back in certain sticky situations. Quite something when you give a lot of thought to the inner workings of Hell and who best to lead it. The thinking, studying, pondering that darkness... nothing all that much new for me, but I can see how it’s something that you’d be less accustomed to. Ruling Hell, I think I could do it, but I wouldn’t want to. Heavy lies the crown, sort of thing. Meaning that it’s time for Morpheus to host Little Miss Sunshine, Hell edition. Recalling your Hobbit reactions, you handled the gathering better than I anticipated. Lots of guests, such as Wee Lady Pennywise. Numerous other beings. And oh, Great Odin’s Raven, it’s Odin, and he has Loki with him. And there’s that guy with the hammer. His name is? Right, he’s Thor. He’s Thor? Well, it hurth. Once again, this whole broadcast has been brought to you by SAND! It’s everywhere! Get used to it! Good laughs over Cain being the magician subjecting poor Abel to the torment, all while saying, “If this hurts, you’ll be the first to know.” Oh, how I’ve missed your protectiveness of Lucienne. When Azazel first came for Lucienne, Jesus was the protective fury in your voice beautiful there, Jess. And overall, you assess that Azazel, he done messed up. And you’re not vibing with him for how he disrespected Lucienne. (And, oh yeah, pissing off Morpheus as well. But mostly, because he disrespected Lucienne.) You know me and villains, so maybe you think I’m more defensive. Not quite yet, no, waiting to see how shit plays out. Besides which, Azazel, well, he no longer seems to have the voice of Roger Allam, so he does lose points on that one. Then there’s your question. What am I more unsettled by? Chaos or order? ...Yes. ...Such is the Freudian nightmare of my brain. It also speaks to the Sith Lord/Disney Villain in me. And the theatre nerd of it all too. All in all, great reaction. Again, fine with continuing with this if you are, as it is lovely to share it with you, discomfort of the author notwithstanding. Hoping this continues, though I will accept either outcome. For now, thank you for another great Sandman reaction, Jess.

Thomas Corp
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I live with my mom, so I don’t begrudge the delay on stuff, as most things that Jess reacts to aren’t shows that Mom would watch, this included. With greater access to streaming, I use my computer when I don’t have the tv. Trickier is when certain movies aren’t available for streaming, and even then, some movies I prefer to watch on my blu-rays on the tv. Like The Godfather, or back last Christmas, Batman Returns. The hardcore porn thing, fair, and it reminds me of a short parody video that I saw of a dad and son arguing over original trilogy versus sequel trilogy. The video opens with the dad walking in on the son watching The Last Jedi, asks, “What are you watching?” the son says, “Gay porn.” the dad narrows his eyes, and asks, “What are you REALLY watching?” I do remember you said that any surmise as to where the Lucifer plot was going was way off the mark. The outcome, though honestly not the most shocking, yes, was not high on my list, surmise-wise, so you got me on that one. Not seen the show Lucifer, though I know it ties to this. Have heard good word of mouth about Tom as Lucifer. Tricia as a manipulative sexpot, well, I mean, I don’t hate the idea. You say it’s a Gaiman project that could still have some legs to it, given the relative disconnect to him, I’d be here for. Have the nice mental image of the Gabriel Byrne portrayal in any such show. Maybe some of the fangirls wouldn’t be too happy with that, but then again, Gabriel is still one damn handsome man at seventy-five. Seeing him in recent stuff, I think, “Goddamn, the man’s still got it.” in addition to him being somewhat on the higher end of favorite actors. Ok, good to hear about the steps taken to fit the rest of the story in this season. Heard good word of mouth about Dead Boy Detectives. A theatre professor from college said he quite liked it. Alas, it’s derailed by the Gaiman of it all. I’d have been ok with the pipe dream. Likewise, I’ll take Ian McShane in anything, though Clive Russell is a great character actor. Noticed Freddie Fox following Whovian adventure prior to going back to furthering the cause of Team Green. When I looked him up in House of the Messy, I found he’s a birthday buddy, adding to the crowded day I got, birthday buddy-wise. Shared thing of not really giving a shit about the casting for Thor. Kept expecting the little lady to say, “Hiya, Georgie! Oh, come on, Bucko. Don’t ya want a balooooon?” Shared hope that the little lady’s career isn’t stunted by having a tainted project like this so early in it. I got the same thing with the kids in the upcoming Harry Potter series, if any of them continue to pursue acting past that show. Or at least there is the hope that people aren’t going to be mean or cruel to them for being in that show. If people have the problems with the adult actors, like Draco Malfoy himself proving himself a fucking idiot, or John Lithgow having the BEYOND tone deaf response to being asked about the project, the result being that it seriously makes us question why he was supposed to be the better alternative to Flap, then that’s their call, and I won’t argue that one. (Though unless I missed something, Janet McTeer seems to have avoided any backlash thus far.) The kids, I just hope that people will cut them a break. No frame of reference with the comic, but nice that you like the update of the look of Azazel. Fair note on Choranzon now you mention it. This is all great so far, so I’m just here for the ride.

Ryan
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I'd at least hope Lucifer has a better understanding than God of what irony is. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1ov_9c7iyFM It was quite a thing going back to King of Thieves a couple years ago and discovering just how much stuff went over my head as a kid. And just how much of it is just Disney saying "Yeah, we heard you that you don't like hearing Homer Simpson doing bad standup, but Williams is back now, honest!" The Marx Brothers bit alone was a major head smack.