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Angel: 2x11 Full Reaction (Patreon)

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2024-08-07 20:00:10
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"Redefinition"

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Angel: 2x11 Full Reaction

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James Smith

I love the dark humor when Lindsey is 'upset' that he is the only survivor and then he is actually upset when the paramedics find that Lilah is alive. Regarding Angel smoking; one of the first things he started doing in Buffy S2 when he lost his soul was to start smoking to show that he is evil now. The only time we have seen Angel with a soul smoking is in the 1950s (when he didnt go by the name Angel) and this episode (when Darla says he isnt Angel or Angelus). Glad you are enjoying the season!

Bisibia

1 thing I always thought was cool about this episode... The main character has no spoken lines. Angel only has voiceover, which is a very rare thing to do on network TV.

Jorgalorg

Much as Darla doesn't want to outright admit it, she's as obsessed with Angel as he's been with her. All her vague plans to conquer LA come across like a plea for attention, which she hardly needs to do since she very much has his full attention. Gotta say, I thought the voiceover was a bit much, in addition to all the training we see him do in what comes across like a matter of hours. It's the short of 'badass' montage that the show would usually defuse in a comedic way. It was still fuckin rad to see him burn Darla and poor Drusilla, who saw it coming 100% but was still surprised, which is an interesting insight into how she interacts psychically with the world where even she doesn't entirely know the meaning of her visions until they come to pass.

DanielOrme
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I like that it's voiceover only. Gives it an 'Apocalypse Now" feel, or maybe they were trying for "Taxi Driver." It's that ominous tone, right for a disconnected, potentially violent antihero.

Jordan McLaren

Between this and the last episode, we can now look back at "Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been" and have a fuller picture of what it was trying to tell the audience. Angel, even with a soul, when he's pushed to a limit and cut off from everyone, is capable of real darkness. Wolfram and Hart are reaping what they sowed by driving him to the edge, but unfortunately for everyone that's exactly what they want. The darker he is, the happier the Senior Partners are. Angel's motivations are deliberately ambiguous at this stage - to the point that he didn't have a single line of dialogue in this episode, just voice-over - but I agree with your assessment that he's shifted his focus entirely, regardless of the crew. For the entirety of the season thus far, they've been very argumentative and combative with him, often with good reason in trying to call out his obsession, but it's likely he just wants to shed this baggage and proceed without them there to act as his conscience. It's also interesting to note Wesley's choice of words in the last scene: "the good fight" is what Doyle called their mission right before his sacrifice. I find Darla very interesting in this episode; I think she doth protest too much when she tries to handwave Angel's importance to her. To quote her from "The Prodigal" last season: "What we were informs all that we become". In Darla's last moments as a human this time around, Angel was a source of comfort and closeness, and it's clear that this connection persisted after her transformation, no matter how loudly she proclaims otherwise. As another commenter said, much of her action comes across as a cry for attention. Looking at her reaction to Angel before he burns them (side note: the times we've seen Angel smoking are when he turned into Angelus and when he was in his morally-ambiguous phase in the 50's, further blurring the line between hero and villain) is very interesting; she actually looks pleased to see him, almost smug - as if drawing him out was exactly what she wanted. But she had no idea how far he'd fallen. This is a good cap to this trilogy of episodes, even if I find some of the voice-over a bit cheesy - I think it would have been more powerful to just show Angel without hearing his thoughts, but it is what it is, and it's not the worst thing in the world. Setting Dru and Darla on fire is such a power move and statement of intent - I don't think for a second that Angel was actually trying to kill them - and it's just a great shocking moment, which this show does often and well. Anyway, I've really enjoyed your reactions to these episodes, especially this particular mini-arc, which this show uses to break up its seasons. Looking forward to the next :)

Melissa Pouliot

The host didn't say anything because he didn't need to. Their purpose is to answer Cordelia's visions and to fight for good together which they immediately did.

Morgan Williams

Angel is running on empty in the care department. All he cares about now is taking out Darla and ultimately bringing down Wolfram and Hart. He's been pushed too and he's had it.

Rebecca

I think it's interesting that Cordelia, Wesley and Gunn sang 'We Are the Champions' by Queen. 'Champion' is a term that's been used to describe Angel this season in his role as a hero to the helpless. Not long after the gang drunkenly sing it, the Host implies that they're about to get set on their path by the Powers That Be. Cordelia immediately gets a vision and by the end of the episode the gang resolve themselves to carry on fighting the good fight. In effect, they're taking on the title of 'champion' as Angel appears to pull away from it. Also, that demon that Angel is waterboarding is called Merl and we met him in the first episode of this season! I really enjoy watching Darla mockingly tell Lindsey that she's in love with him. Lilah laughing at his misfortune and then being told to shut up is hilarious. Drusilla's later line is also great: 'I like the girl, she's wicked' 😂.

Ahmad

The way the actress plays Lilah never fails to make me laugh, she nails those body mannerisms. Especially in this scene: Lilah: "You think they'll promote him?" Darla to Lilah: "Or you.

JBK405

The thing about what Angel's mission actually is, think back to what Doyle said to him in the very first episode: It's not just about killing demons, it's about helping people through forging emotional connections. This is just as much about helping Angel save himself, since eventually -- if he doesn't actually CARE about people -- then he's going to stop saving them. And from there it's just a tiny step to preying on them again. The Powers That Be sent Doyle to put Angel on the path then, and in the last episode specifically they sent Cordelia a vision on the other side of town to try and pull Angel away from Darla and Drusilla, because this path he's on isn't The Mission. He's not fighting Wolfram & Hart, he's BECOMING them. They said it themselves: They don't want him dead, they want him dark. You can't defeat your enemy by adopting their methods. All you do then is replace them.

Christopher weindel

Audience expectations:Darla and Drusilla are the big bads. This show: Sets that idea literally on fire

Steve Quast

Ahh, the one where Angel doesn't utter a single word in real time. He only speaks in the voice overs. This episode isn't quite up to par with the previous two (which are amazing), but still solid, nonetheless. My favorite scenes are the ones with Gunn, Wesley, and Cordelia in the karaoke club.

Steve Quast

Last episode: Cordy, Wes, and Gunn chide Angel for not killing Darla and Dru Angel: I'll do it later. This episode: Lindsey: You should kill Angel Darla: I'll do it later. Even when they're bitter enemies, these two are a perfect match.

Mornir

These episodes with Dru really emphasise to me how much of a walking tragedy she is. So evil and insane, but also so pathetic and sad in her childlike ways and eternal yearning for her vampire family (a shadow of the love she had for her human family before Angelus killed them).

Gregor

I think you did not noticed, but it was mentioned in earlier episodes, that Virgina is still around and Wesley is meeting with here from time to time.

Ahmad

I hope you do an episode/season review of every Angel season. Loved your video for Season 1 and I think there's more to go into from Season 2 onwards imo!