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Annie Kelly brings Jake, Julian, and Travis tales of the lesser known figures of the European witch hunts during the early modern period: the skeptics who openly doubted that every accused woman was actually a witch.

At the time, it was common for village communities in England, Spain, and France to accuse local women of cursing cows and similar satanic mischief. But a handful of men didn’t believe the mainstream belief that witchcraft was widespread. Doubts were raised by the Spanish royal physician Andrés Fernández de Laguna, the English gentleman Reginald Scot, and the inquisitor Alonso de Salazar Frías. Salazar even established rules on investigating witchcraft that set a high standard of proof. This subsequently saved an untold number of accused witches from being hanged or burned at the stake.

What can all of this tell us about the modern right’s use of the language of demonology to describe their enemies? Listen to get exclusive analysis from the National Baby.

To get a better background on the history of witch hunting, Annie interviewed Professor Marion Gibson from the University of Exeter, and author of the book Witchcraft: A History in 13 Trials.




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Annie Kelly

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Witchcraft: A History in 13 Trials by Marion Gibson

https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Witchcraft/Marion-Gibson/9781668002438

Editing by Corey Klotz. Theme by Nick Sena. Additional music by Pontus Berghe. Theme Vocals by THEY/LIVE (https://instagram.com/theyylivve / https://sptfy.com/QrDm). Cover Art by Pedro Correa: (https://pedrocorrea.com)


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Grease Witherspoon

It's a Christmas miracle from the National Baby!

Justine Riekena

Witchcraft + Annie = Best. XMas. Gift. Ever.

Brad Plumb

Is Jake proposing a witchcraft barometer to determine whether tImes are happy or sad? We can weigh the amount of hocus pocus content against True Detective

Brendan Luster

witches, amirite? call Larry Nichols

ROU Sentient Lichen

I've heard that accusations of witchcraft also shifted the healing arts from women to men

[email protected]

The Spanish Inquisition? I didn’t see that coming

Ben H

I was just thinking about witches and witchcraft, thank you folks

Schwartz666

Merry Witchmas! 🧙‍♀️🧹

SM21

I like the character of a warlock who *needs* a witch trial to get cred with a prince demon

Claire Hofbauer

Love this episode except when Jake sells out to Christmas. Can’t you just grow a pair and cancel your fomo and just relax like a normal Jewish person? Be glad you don’t have to buy everyone presents.

Lydia

love to hear the gang recreate the “the very much did kill Jesus” tumblr classic

MCL

What’s strange is that while I was listening to this episode I dropped my phone in water and it started to float because it’s a WITCH

Jordan Clementi

An episode about the Eternal Travis

Alannah Small

Fuckin' Kramer, man. Dude hated women and got so many people tortured and killed.

Lisa Bentz

Annie Kelly! ❤️

Ben Thelen

The national baby

Benjamin Gould

This was great, thanks Natl Baby et al.!

Ruth Kiszka

Great episode. We really are in a bizzaro world where we are represented by genocide joe and antony butcher of gaza blinken

Laura

Always a treat to hear from Annie. Also sending love to The National Baby Jr.--Christmas is more fun with kids in the family ❤️

Andrew Billings

As a Brit, I’ve often noticed that if an American podcast drops a UK cultural reference, 70% of the time it’s to Monty Python. I never appreciated before how much that comedy troupe left a mark on a certain segment of the American imagination!

bigphoton

Annie always makes me giggle, no matter how grim the story. Great job everyone. Sending a great set of holiday wishes to the entire crew of my favorite pod!

Melazond

Wow this was really great!

Scott Kannady

You should mention in English the book translates to the Hammer of Witches. Very metal

hhhhhm

Ooft. Down for this episode when I get the chance. Read Caliban and The Witch (Sylvia Federici) and thought it was absolutely wild how much we talk about capitalism without reference to its creation and the role of the witch trials

Sean Marshall

I invoke the will of Saint Boner!

hhhhhm

Able-bodied White Supremacist Cisheteropatriarchy was baked into the very foundations of capitalism in a very literal way. First [EDIT: technically not first - there was of course the enclosure of the commons before this. A significant power grab from women, in particular (and from the working class, overall). In fact there's a few blows in the run up to the witch trials - it's in the book!) via the Europe-wide witch trials (lasting 3 centuries) then additionally on foreign lands, whereby after the 'success' of the European witch trials to dominate/divide and conquer the working class, witch trials were then exported and replicated as part of the capitalist expansion beyond state borders -e.g. colonialism, *and sometimes embedded witch hunting culture there before departing* before ponderously pointing a finger from the colonial homelands at how 'barbaric and superstitious' they are sometime after the enlightenment got cooking. Just to note that antisemitism was also part of the European witch trials, because they just couldn't leave that out of course.

hhhhhm

Cannot recommend Caliban and the Witch enough! Though, perhaps a note for gender essentialism (would like to hear perspectives on this from anyone else here who read it!)

hhhhhm

Yes! And as a result of what unfolded, midwives were turned from being an ally to people -often women- giving birth, into becoming informants to the state (abortion attempts or anything interpreted that way, with extreme punishment for not reporting people to the state for perceived attempts to abort). I think it's important to understand what was lost with the witch trials! And this is the medical culture around pregnancy that we've come from in recent centuries. Bodies are treated as vessels for creating future workers, regardless of the needs or wishes of the pregnant person.

Storky

Excellent work as usual, Annie. Now I must get back to knitting unique outfits for toads before they report me to the Devil.

Josh Veal

Hi, does anyone know what this ep’s Auto Q at the end is from (or how to find out?)

KillingVector

Gosh I really want to know too, don't want to give them views but like, morbidly fascinated

Ian Price

Annie Kelly 🍠

Melissa Hudson

This really was an amazing gift of an episode, I'm currently researching and writing my second graphic novel about the English witch-hunts and Gaule and Hopkins have been a major focus. It is wild (and not great) to see the modern parallels.

Roseminda Nabehet

I felt like I was hearing about the very first conspiracy theory ever listening to this podcast.

Melissa Hudson

Oh hey that's really nice of you to ask! My first graphic novel is "Witchfire" published by Markosia and available here https://markosia.com/books/worlds-of-horror/witchfire/ I'm obviously just starting work on the sequel now, so it'll be a while before that's out.

Megan Hazzard

I'm catching up with episodes and I came here to comment just for that 😂

Jamie Fritz

The rant at 16:30ish reminds me of Invader Zim.

Ruth Kiszka

Annie has an amazing radio voice. I'd def pay for an anny kelly read game of thrones audiobooks. Shed have to do different voices for each character though.

FillynotFully

Julian wishing cybertrucks would catch fire and then one explodes on new years day in front of trump tower. ☠️ He's a witch!

jengatoads

it’s really inspiring how julian manifested that exploding tesla with the sheer power of his hatred for elon

Shifty Comfort

What is the clip at the end of the episode?

Jack Gude

Strong witches create good times. Good times create weak witches. Weak witches create bad times. Bad times create strong witches. 🧙‍♀️

Bettina Grassmann

I have fallen into a terrible rabbit hole: this podcast. I may have to start a new podcast: QAAA, to help get myself out! 😂

Sian Watson

Annie episode?.... TOADS! In wizards outfits!? Omg