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Misa

Tftc

Edward Woodard

You all suck lmao. 3 seconds into a chapter being released and there’s already comments. Crazy work. Read the damn chapter first so you can comment something useful

Connor

Thanks for the chapter

Liam Wilson

"Yes, there will be one more chapter, either Monday or maybe over the weekend. Please let all the people who will definitely ask on Patreon know." - Zogarth on discord

Mikesch

Thank you thank you THANK YOU! Now Christmas can come! Thanks, Zogarth and happy holidays to you and everyone!

Beemoss

Tftc

Fdrugc

He fooled us all and I'm glad for it

Ed Soto

Tftc

Ritsu

So what's the bet that Villy just got a level or two from that as well?

Thomas Todd

Zog has already confirmed one more chapter either Monday or over the weekend!

Daniel Everest

See yall after Xmas I guess

CipherFTW

Fucking CLIIIIIIIIIFFFFFF

Lommona

Tftc

SuprKDrgn

Fuckin Cliffhanger!!!!

Lizy Flore

From Zogarth in discord : “Yes, there will be one more chapter, either Monday or maybe over the weekend. Please let all the people who will definitely ask on Patreon know.”

Christopher Nisonger

Thanks for the chapter…. And thanks for already noting that you’d release a chapter next week so we’re not sitting on a cliffhanger

guy nakache

What stop with the clif hangers you mean mean man

Jan

Anyone wants to weigh in: the Ding normally means levels doesn’t it?

Strato Junon

Oh cmon!!!! Drop one more chapter today? Just one more good sir? Tyfc

Bmax

I literally just screamed “FUCK”. Damn you Zog. I love this story so much

KevB

Waht

frankie doerr

We’re getting another chapter right before the break because this is cruel

Jan

Or are these skill upgrades for all his Legacy skills? Would explain the feeling coming from Villy’s direction. I guess the name changes to: Palate of Malefic Origins and so on?

Michael Fannon

I'm guessing we won't see his new class until after the break then. Glad we get one more chapter, cause that is a CLIFF.

STAsi0 23

Level up?

Dirkk Diggler

I knew a cliff was coming

Jordan

BRUH.

Loststar7

Thanks for the chapter and the soft cliff today. Happy Friday everyone.

Chris Badawi

Looks like A grade may not be another 2 years of chapters away! Also - just wanna say to zogarth: So well done on the system messages. Crisp, written with concision and clarity. Really helps immerse oneself in the story.

Crystal Hill

Minor thing: in the profession description there’s a bit that says, “… —perhaps even find that which the Primordial himself is yet aware of.” That should probably be either “is not yet aware of” or “is yet unaware of.”

Cinaeda

I love the choice and the reasoning!!! still… mean cliff 🤣

Lommy Coldhands

🎼 and that's why they call him cliffhangerr!

djthomp

Jake's bloodline probably wanted the profession choice that gave perception anyway, so Primeval Alchemist it is.

Burkes

System fuckery incoming.

oak

Before anyone freaks, theres another chapter coming before Zog goes on break 👌

Leviathan

Either jake just mass leveled Villy and thus gained levels for it, or something very intense is happening and we're probably going to be stuck on a cliffhanger until after the holidays

Michael mann

4 consecutive profession levels at B Grade within seconds, so he’s Level 352 before even choosing a new class 🤣 Our boy can’t help but break the norms can he?

meh

Oh vilas this is gonna be an awful cliffhanger isn’t it?

taylor ritchie

Do you think the energy is somehow influencing the viper somehow not negatively but I'm a good way since it said more equally will be there balance so do you think this will be the first major thing Jake will do for villy that he simply couldn't do himself

mitchell kaiser

Evil cliff man will do evil cliff things! Thanks Zogarth!

Numors

Amazing chapter, really. I really liked Jake thinking about Villy when choosing the profession, I was kind of feeling bad for villy yesterday with the Harbringer profession.

Tie

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

ByLordMatsLuck

Wow thanks for the chappy. Happy holidays

Toffee Willow

I have a strong feeling that the race upgrade skill gave him a mass influx of records based on the records of man, and we are seeing him benefitting from that shift and the karmic tie to the origin he now has.

mucky 12

Any theories on how jake gained so many levels so quickly from the selection? I'm thinking it was due to jakes intent behind his choice that rewarded him with points. Some weird karmic fuckery

SyndaXatrix

I wasn't entirely surprised that Jake ended up picking Primeval Alchemist, especially considering the stat spread but I'm really hoping we get to spend a bit more time exploring Jake's Harbinger status in B-Grade. There's just so many avenues for Jake to do insane things using Jake Juice to push concepts especially post Gate of Enlightenment visit(s)

Jan

I think it’s a skill upgrade/change. All his skills become “of Malefic Origin”

Daniel Brian

Levels out of nowhere? Or more origin system fuckery? Related to his connection to all humans and allies now?

Gingix

Oof, this wasn't a light cliffhanger. I hope you have a great Christmas. I want to know what happened.

Cory S.

Damn, what a cliff! Zog, please give us another chapter today or Monday. I need it.

Davis Martin

Anyone got an idea on what is about to happen?

Tyler S.

Most likely Villy got a good boost with that choice and it rolled over to affecting Jake as well

Siethrobo

Zog: the cliff won't be too bad. Also Zog:^

Fdrugc

Oof this clif is much worse.

PathOfPen

Ok, clearly we need to clone zogarth and have multiple zogarths writing chapters. I was hoping that it could be avoided, but this isn’t sustainable. Any bio-engineers here?

John

I feel the class name should be Malefic Alchemist of Primeval Origins rather than Primeval Alchemist of Malefic Origins... it sounds as if it only focuses on Malefic Viper's Origin rather than Primeval Origins in general written the current way.

Chelsa Roberts

Zogarth......your story is tooooo good.

Orod

Damn that was great. Glad the skill was on the same level as the other one. Although Jake really shouldn't care what the other factions want

Fyrtue

Zog is straight up trolling us at this point. Cliff hanging with what amounts to unexplained Jingle Bells to lead into the holiday break?!? Seriously though, my guess is backdated malefic origin exploration credit that leveled him up.

Staudi

Thank you for the chapter zog!

Ira White

Breath just Breath itll be ok worst case scenario its like 2 weeks maybe 3 just go to your happy place. Wait this is my happy place go to your other happy place he just finished book six and is going on break too go too your other other happy place hes on medical break go to your break glass in case of emergency happy place. Fine ill go back and reread spellmonger again 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

solomon pagan

Oh come on that is just mean

Orod

Good time to re-read or re-listen to the books 🤣

Kasi

ZOGARTH YOU DARE HANG US OFF A CLIFF WITH NOTHING BUT A STRAND OF ROPE AND HOPE TO DANGLE OFF OF??? Anyways TFTC, love you dude no homo

Dave

Great stuff!! Have a great vacation.

Alexikon

I think B grade will be a fast one and A grade will be slower and S Grade will be fast and The Breakpoint to Godhood will be extremely long, because God hood was described as nearly impossible. Then the first few God realms are fast again. Or Zog makes everything longer.

Fdrugc

I was hoping he would pick Harbinger of Primeval Origins as i feel he could still get Villy's legacy and I think embracing the origin class would be more challenging and beneficial to him. It would also be cool if he used Origin energy in alchemy

Tyler S.

Cant wait for Jake to start adding his Juice to hunters mark by adding the weight of history to the attack. Figured the higher amout of Perception from Harbinger would make more of a deciding factor but also that he wouldnt go for such a big alteration just yet. And what/how did this evolution do to Villy for levels to be spilling back over to Jake? Cant wait, enjoy your vacay Zog

DragonsSin

Gimme chapter noooooow what's happening reeeeeeee

Fyrtue

My take is that it's phrased how it is due to the impact his path of the heretic chosen skill has had on Jake.

Architect

Zogarth “I’m not going to leave a cliffhanger there will be a cliff but not a big one” Behold the Mother of All Cliffs!!!

Ben Maes

What a lovely cliff hangar. Don't mind the voodoo doll.

Tommy

The cliff dao is strong with this one 😂 TFTC!

Koby

That’s the best idea I’ve ever heard, let’s make this happen😂

Ramadasa Butler

We didn't even get to the new or upgraded skills that come with choosing a Profession upgrade. Maybe that was the Profession utilising the new or upgraded skills. First two Ding!'s for Profession, third Ding! for Race and forth Ding for Profession. Race (351), Class (349), Profession (353)

C0bra$

Thank u for the story

BumAssBumAss

I expected this and it still sucks.

phil

damn dude that was a lot of writing for something i think we all knew jake was gonna pick swear you're doing this to tease us at this point

Joshua Little

Thanks for the chapter. Gah! The Cliff grows stronger.

deus vault

I hope yhere'll be less fillers in the published novel.

nathan

Splurge out make juice all across the universe hahaha 😂😂

JW Saxby

No no no! No Ding ding ding damn it lol don’t end it like that ya major cliffing bastard lmfao 🤣 why are you like this Zog, I feel like I must be a masochist because as much as I hate a cliff hanger I can’t stop reading them week after week just torturing myself and loving it. Clearly I must just be a degenerate reader then 😅😅😅 this is what you’ve turned me into you brilliant storytelling bastard you! 🍻 Merry Christmas and/or happy holidays mate and thank you for the chapter as always 👍🏼

Corey bess

Merry christmas zog. Thanks for taking time during the holidays.

Ben Sheahan

Could the Records related to Jake's Juice have bled over to Villy because of his Profession? Jake then instantly gaining a few levels for the Chosen helping his Patron?

Kyle Stitt

OMG I thought u said u weren’t going to leave the car teetering on a cliffs edge!! 😱

Sergej Fel

"How much circular yapping did you put in the chapter before fucking off to holiday vacation?" "Yes." It's getting deep into the 'not funny' territory at this point.

scarredrazor

Zog... This isn't funny... April fools is still months away!

Joseph Astroth

Levels based on Villy fully digesting Vip of Yor??

Marc Jay Arr Cotamora

Probably about the unknown faction responsible for jake's abduction. Previously, Vilas and Eversmile captured that student who attended Jake's lecture. they probably found something relevant and worth the records and achievements hence the level ups. With Jake' help with the lecture and his bloodline during the abduction, they managed to uncover something. My bet is on the Neurotars.

AfroMocha

I was thinking of Jake, where to make a touch of the maleic viper his own as touch of the primeval hunter. What do you think it’s affects would be? I’m thinking if you were to infuse shake juice into the attack, he might be able to alter the origins of what he attacked?

Clint

DING! Love the obvious-with-hindsight revelation about his visions. Love how the chapter was a perfect pre-break resolution until… DING!

Yiskah

Rather than huffing and declaring I will stop reading the series because of all the “filler” I think I’m instead going to have to stop reading the comment section. We have so many mysteries and paths to explore yet the collective readership lacks so in imagination that all they seem to notice about these chapters is that they end before every possible thing that could be explored was. I’m thinking back about this whole evolution so far and am trying to imagine how one could even have written them without any cliffhangers? Should Jake have left Minaga’s and then we should have gotten a 1 chapter summary of this entire evolution so far? How could one even have written that and have it be interesting or engaging? What, precisely, ought to have been cut to not have “filler” and what ought to have been changed about the pacing to not have cliffs without tripling or quadrupling the length of each chapter and without leaving details out? Especially when considering that the moments or recapping past points in the text are for book readers who aren’t so fanatical they’re paying for a sneakpeak preview of the next books and who likely had read the last PH months ago and might appreciate a recap? Honestly the comment sections are always the most disappointing part about these chapters. So much imagination from the author, so little from the readers. Zog, happy holidays and thanks for a wonderful year of storytelling. I’ve enjoyed every minute of them, and I for one appreciate the inspiration you give me to dream about what might come next rather than you just spoon feeding me all the answers.

Kjell

On DC Zog said that there's gonna be another on maybe this weekend or at the last monday

R.E. McCoy

What if Jake becomes a dragon version of Villy.

DaMule

Now that is how you recon something. I love how you tied Jake Juice with the path of the heretic chosen. Also, great cliffhanger Z! TFTC

Sergej Fel

You are aware that it would make a third of the chapters obsolete, yes?

John McGurn

For anyone here who didn’t know. There will be one more chapter either over the weekend or on Monday according to Zog

Corey bess

"...What at twist!"

Mike

I tried to read all the comments to see but I definitely skimmed. Either way it seems like 2 things are being missed. 1. Zog didn't really say he would try to avoid a cliff this Friday but that he may post a chapter on Monday to avoid a massive cliff before breaking. I mean no guarantee that he does maybe this is the cliff that we will wait on but damn it's a hell of a lot better than waiting before the professional selection or something like that. 2. Who said the dings have to be levels? The system dings when messages pop up. And what messages popped up the last time he evolved? Changes to his blessing of course. Not sure what changes with this pick though. I was pretty sure if harbinger was picked Jake may have gained control over the blessing to the point he could have gave it up again or some else like that with the way the profession was worded.

Megabeast_pro01

Don't worry this isnt the cliff He said he would do 1 more chapter either on weekend or Monday in Discord

Megabeast_pro01

Don't worry this isnt the cliff He said he would do 1 more chapter either on weekend or Monday in Discord

Matt

He did still have that world core in his stomach..

Daymond Walford

I mean I guess it’s not too much of a cliff… just left us with a few dings.

Mike

I love this, such a great way to explain the comment problem. And the real solution is is if cliff hangers really trigger you so much to enjoy this beautiful series less then maybe they need to just be book readers and enjoy the books in all their no cliff glory.

Potato Sandwich1

YOU CAN'T CUT ME OFF THERE!! What the heck?!? I'm hoping quite a bit that there is a chapter Monday

Michael mann

Oh I’ll bet his new race skill just gave a huge boost to Villy and Artemis as his patron/best buddy and Girlfriend respectively

Fyrtue

I think the "familiar notification he'd heard just moments prior" is what made me think levels.

Jacob Mahler

You just have a big mustache you twirl while making an evil laugh don't you haha. Jokes aside I'm loving these chapters and theorizing what comes next. Your book has pushed me to try and write my own, so thank you for your inspiration! If you have any advice on your cliffhangers, I'd love to learn your ways.

Xander

TFTC :) Have a great weekend all and I'll see you back here Monday for the last chapter of the year (maybe) suggested edits: "which the Primordial himself is yet *aware* of" should be "unaware" from context. Also strongly consider ditching the "yet" "Jake would "have taken" everything worth taking from the Viper’s Legacy and fully "assimilated" it into his own Path" wrong tense for this sentence. Should be "take" and "assimilate" for future tense meaning at some point Jake will have done that but that day is not today.

JW Saxby

If he were to do that (I don’t think that’s where the story will go but IF it were) then I reckon a skill like “Touch of the Primeval Hunter” as you put it would act basically like the character Eri from My Hero Academia’s quirk works. By rewinding the touched target backwards, de-ageing them till they reverse to the point of not even being born and being erased essentially. Which is kinda what Jake has already previously done slightly when fighting the copy of Valdemar in Nevermore. Kinda.

Daniel Barton

TYFTC!!! Should've known when you made the comment about a possible chapter next week because you didnt want too bad of a cliff hanger 😒

WhiteLincoln

Zog said there will be one more chapter on Monday or over the weekend on discord

Rewdan

Wait, what, this is not how Zogarth is leaving us is it!

Thread9000

Tftc. Definitely skill mods based on his new profession. Will be interesting if it knocks his skills down in rarity though. But I bet this should result is Villy getting some records too. PS I love all the reflections (aka filler).

Timothy Spradlin

Almost guessed it, was off by the second half lol, though arguable in the same vein

Numbzy

I really hope that we get a conversation between Jake and Vilas over Visions. Jake's like, 'I finally figured it out those visons' and Vilas 100% already knows.

Corey bess

Bro hes popping out 5 chapters a week. As someone who writes myself thats a breakneck pace. Who cares about a few editting errors. Thatll be fixed when the actual book happens. We are paying to be at the forefront of the lore. Not see completely polished work. I mean dont get me wrong i teased zog about it once or twice just to be a dick but i doubt the man needs course correction from us.

Ira White

Title- Mortal of God's upgrading[scared]. Threw your powers of primeval origins, a heathly dose of system fuckery, and by choosing this Profession you have greatly increased the power of not one but several of the gods you are connected too. +100 stats per level in every gods strongest stat you upgraded. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

Dale

You do have to appreciate the irony, where Jake goes on about how good it feels to complete a potion, hunt, etc…. And the chapter ends on a solid cliffhanger

Bobo

Tyfc

Spencer Wilson

FOR ANYONE WONDERING, ZOGARTH CONFIRMED IN DISCORD THERE WILL BE ONE MORE CHAPTER BEFORE THE BREAK! REJOICE!

Ty Cooper

Lol it doesn't say that Villy had to keep him as a chosen. Who thinks Villy would take away the true blessing to mess with Jake? Tftc. Marry Cliffsmas to all. Lol

Joken

Remember when Zogarth said the cliff won’t be that bad? Hahahahahhahaha Evolve to B grade Something is off Hey Villy Ding Ding Ding Ding …

Rewdan

I’m hoping it’s all good but I’m quite a bit concerned it’s not going to be 🫣

zran

thanks for the cliffhanger....

Drexnaw

he announced that he will do a chapter on monday and possibly tuesday to finish up the evolution but then said dont woprryu you will get a holiday cliffhanger

Wen L.

Yay there is a shout out to Sim-Jake, miss the mercenary loner jake

Michael

Look at me Hector

Sarianne

I really hope we'll still get a chapter next week and that we won't have to wait till next year for the next chapter

Bjarne Hansen

He is now touching on divinity, not just that but would love to see him bring artemus to see his parents .9

Christopher

Remember when Zogarth said there was another chapter coming on Monday?

Keion

Love the story but whole chapter to pick a skill then it’s still a cliff is kinda crazy

zran

he said he might make more chapters to prevent to end in a strong cliffhanger, so better assume zog might end adding a monday chapter if not on the week end

Rewdan

I’m reading that we’ll get a chapter Monday

Endern

I'm surprised Jake hasn't mentioned his fuck up with his Origin energy and Palate. I think this part of the description heavily references that: "Origins of Primeval nature are yours to explore, and not even the Legacy of your Patron is off limits."

ABTelford

He can’t. Neither of them can reject the blessing now until Jake reaches godhood. It’s why he could badmouth Villy so convincingly in the ElHakkan arc.

zran

the *ding*'s might be his profession skills changing to fit his upgraded profession

Sarianne

Ahh, thanks to all the ppl who commented before I now know we will get an other chapter before the break 🥰

Pantheon

I should’ve immediately guessed which one he’d pick based on one not giving perception. I didn’t even read the stats they gave. I hope I would have picked that up in audiobook form. Ignoring the cliff, I think Jake made the right choice not fully distancing his path from the Viper. It’s still an important source of records and a big part of his identity. Better to start the process with this new profession and use the A and S grade evolutions to finish up than to do it all now at B grade. He’s got a long way to go before the peak.

Tom Roe

You better not be leaving this until after Christmas. I'm raging.

Colton Horton

Splurge out Jake Juice all across the multiverse irresponsibly. Im dying. 👀😵

KodamaZelk

Got to be the legacy skills. They couldn't handle being shorter in description than his spirit skill.

Manowar

He aid he would post another chapter over the weekend or next week to prevent that... or at least prevent too big of a cliff. It's impossible at this point for there not to be one at all.

James Lucas

Reading comprehension is hard.

Shai182

The End of Cliff Week, With no surprise to anyone with a Huge Cliff.... now we wait...

James Lucas

He never said he wouldn't leave us on a cliff. Just that he might have a chapter or 2 for us next week to ease the size of the cliff.

NSaaby

Ding ding ding. You got mail

Numbzy

We noticed it. Hoping for a mid to late B Grade shenanigan around this idea. Maybe Sense or Touch.

NSaaby

I wonder if Jake will ever find the Origin of the system 😁

Austin

You just couldn’t help yourself: “but that didn’t mean he wanted to splurge out Jake Juice all across the multiverse irresponsibly just to level up fast.” I’ve officially decided I’ve gotta break the chain so I can stop getting these nibbles of story. Headed over to catch up on DotF until we’re back from break. TFTC and Merry Christmas!

Christophe H.

Clearly not a Cliff ending at all. Thanks for the chapter! Best wishes for the festive season !

Ra

You forget the fact that his bloodline will likely not accept a +720 to all stats, combining the last two options into one. Just like his Race...

Ra

A short cliff you said! Jake's bloodline is bullying the system again, trying to combine the two choices into one. Either that or he's gaining levels due to something the unknown faction is doing. In either case, Happy Holidays to all!

Ra

Don't go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Nathan Holliday

Zogarth you are a bastard! How do you right a cliffhanger every fucking day. And I’m still eating it up as tears roll down my face because of another damn cliff!

blarper

I’ll throw out my theory, with Jake officially becoming more than a heretic chosen, taking his first steps on his own outside of Villy’s legacy in his progression. I assume this is something the system likes, or is the whole goal of having blessings/chosen for non faith based gods. Villy is about to get some nice loot/rewards/ title and Jake’s going to know about it, have system confirmation. Something like due to your steps outside the path of your patron villy has gained 5% perception(don’t think it will be this) and Jake is still a heretic chosen so he’s going to get lvls/rewards of some sort. Would love for y’all folks thoughts

BuhDussy

I was wondering why in the hell this chapter was taking so long to get to the point, and now I know why…. Gonna be a long weekend.

blucube 14

Thanks for the chapter!

Ithuriel

Readers everywhere reached the end of the chapter and groaned, “Fucking Zogarth”. It’s really shameful to be this openly sadist Zog.

James Faulkner

Goddamnit these cliffs man

ThatGuy

Idk if it’s levels or skills changing rarity or concerning else entirely but my god I need that next chapter

Sean

Just a question wouldn’t it be Malefic Alchemist of Primeval Origins? With the other way around it sounds like the origins switched from Primeval to Malefic. Just curious.

Nick Elliott

Thank you again Zog. Excellent chapter. I was genuinely swinging from one to another as he debated which way to go (he picked the one I would have picked plenty of time in A and S grade to separate his legacy). I look forward to all the cliff related boiled p*ss in the comments!

Im So Dunn

totally ‘not a big cliff hanger’ smhmh

Daniel is ŁØNE

What manner of nonsense is this, zogarth at it again with rage bait level cliffs

Ni

One thing I'm surprised Jake didn't consider was how his B grade version was way better than his C grade version of harbinger. Might change further in A

Carl Never

I did have to open my eyes a few times. But i get out of bed and read the chapter so i just figured it was my eyes.

Gardor

"Jake technically didn’t have any inherent karmic connection to the creatures he helped" How can this be true? Dont people get karmic connections with everyone they meet, and the larger your impact on someone, the greater the connection?

Alexandre8901

Villy's leveling to? What a great heretic chosen!

Sargon Yami

He has a weak connection. And villy explained why during the meeting with the three factions. Can't remember exactly why

Carl Never

Im going to jizz my pants when we finally get to have a parent meet up again. I think they will have to come to the order and all the humans will brag about how human they are.

Gardor

I dunno, i still think its a little weird that being a god seems dependent on levels, like you cant become a god until you pass level 1500 or whatever. Like, you cant become a god in B tier, you need to be evolve into a god from S tier.

Lawrence Dillon

No no no no noooo not this cliff this is an everest sized cliff

Joshua Davis

Love the chapter, and the well thought out decision, as he still wants some connection to Billy but has started taking those little steps away to make his own path.

Evan

I have been a member for almost a year and a half and have yet felt the need to make a comment. Zogarth how could you rage bait like this. Keep it up.

Gardor

Im real glad i am not as invested in this story as everyone raging against the cliff, as much as id like to see some cool skill blurbs i can survive a couple weeks without resolution.

Oblivion

Right… so is Jake’s bloodline abusing the system again and giving him a better combination of both?

Jamie

Cliffs are clearly a substantial part of Zogarth’s path.

Daryl

Very cool profession; it certainly didn't disappoint. I'm also glad Jake is staying an alchemist, because alchemy is cool. Jake power leveling immediately after making his pick is also very on brand lol.

IntenseSushi

Tftc “he wanted to splurge out Jake Juice” Zog you dog

Zachary

Perception is the best stat so was that profession really even good if it didn’t provide perception?

brjenness

there's the bloodline upgrade. doorbell instead of knocker.

Stephen B.

I think "of primeval origins" would mean the origin switched from Villy to Jake himself - but "of malefic origins" keeps the closer tie to Villy that his profession has always had.

IntenseSushi

And god is that a fire profession name

brjenness

first and only thought so far...a b grade using an ability/skill to assist several people to reach B grade might be worthy of a few levels

Boffadeez

Agreed my thoughts exactly plenty of time in A and S grade to being diverting more

SinCinnamon

THE CLIFF WASNT SUPPOSED TO BE THAT HIGH!!!!! I HAVE BEEN LIED TO!!! TFTC, here’s hoping for a Monday chap 🍻 Cheers!

AWKW1ZARD

If those are skills upgrading... Bloodline mic drop moment. Buuuuut there's no way Jake gets off that easy. Definitely levels if not something unforseen. Maybe multiple changes to his chosen-heretic status?

Wheels42

"splurge out Jake Juice" Word choice both horrific and excellent. 11/10 Editing suggestions: "Malefic Viper’s powers – perhaps even find that which the Primordial himself is yet aware of." The sentence I think needs a not in front of the yet. As in "himself is not yet aware of"

SinCinnamon

Zog’s profession is Writing Master of Cliffs. He doesn’t progress if there is no cliff.

Stephen B.

Yeah, agreed - Jake consciously chose the profession in large part for Villy's sake, so now Villy gets the rewards for being awesome 😁

Danny

Dafuk that cliffhanger...

Lemonsqueezy

Here is to hoping for a Monday and Tuesday chapter to finish off the B-Grade evolution. It would be painful to have to wait until Jan 5th before we get to see not only what the end of this chapter is talking about but also what he gets for his class upgrade.

Kurai Kami Sedrick

Gonna Assume Villy got a massive exp boost for Jake mixing his Origin and Malefic legacy together which is resulting in him getting a massive amount of proffression exp? Maybe that sounds dumb, I'm just spit balling

Lemonsqueezy

I am assuming all the "DING"s are all of his legacy skills upgrading because his Bloodline and the Primeval Origins skill pumping Jake Juice into the skills. Could also be upgrades to all the passive skills (like brew potion/poison) upgrading because of the same forces.

Lemonsqueezy

On par for a normal cliff hanger, but unless we get chapters on Monday and Tuesday to finish off the upgrade this would be by far the meanest cliff hanger Zog has ever dropped on us.

Boffadeez

I can't believe i pay zogarth 10 bucks a month to cuck me like this. And I love it lmao well done mate 👏

James Tepfer

Ding Ding......WTF

Donald Duck

This mf jake talking bout the relationship not being equal but at the level the primordials are it’s so hard to gain experience and level up so this guy jake just farmed so much xp for villy. It’s not equal in terms of villy not doing enough

Lemonsqueezy

The chapter said that essentially the two skills were the same. Only difference being what Jake would have to focus on to gain levels in his profession. Neither skill completely removed the ability to do what the other did. The one Jake chose gave more perception, and Jake loves perception. I do think that if the skill didn't provide any or as much perception as Harbinger he would have not chosen it. On the other side of the argument, I think Zog is rather set on Jake being an alchemist. Mostly because it is something Jake chose to do. Jake's Primeval Origin energy was something that his bloodline just bestowed upon him making it something Jake didn't achieve on his own. There is no feeling of accomplishment associated with getting the ability. I am going to assume that Jake will start focusing more on his Jake Juice skill in A-Grade when he starts moving away from riding the coattails of Villy, which he needs to do anyway to reach Godhood. Or maybe not, it could just remain to be something Jake can do. I think one of the requirements is becoming his own person and removing anything that continues to define him as being reliant on Villy. Being a Chosen boosts your ability to gain records and puts you on a fast track to godhood. Essentially being pulled into equalizing the power levels between the god and his chosen. Like how slipstreaming or drafting does in sports like NASCAR and Formula One. The title of Chosen is lost once the person reaches Godhood, it is where (I assume) the god gets the bulk of his investment from his chosen and is then able to choose a new Chosen without any backlash. It would also grant Jake the ability to start handing out blessings and finding a chosen (if he wants one). Jake having a chosen would definitely not fit his personality though, he really isn't much of a leader or advisor.

Gman

Stored experience from all the primeval rituals being applied all together.

Lemonsqueezy

Alchemy is also something Jake earned from his own dedication to the craft. While his Jake Juice is essentially something he was just "given" by his bloodline. Jake loves the feeling of accomplishment, dedicating his time and energy into something and producing something. Primeval Origin gives him the same thing when he creates a unique being, but it can only be done occasionally. It also doesn't do anything that benefits his class or hunting. He creates something new and then that is it, the creature goes off and does it's own thing. Alchemy gives the dopamine kick when he creates a poison, and then Jake gets another one when he uses that poison successfully in a fight. A "Two birds one stone" kind of thing. That is my opinion anyway.

FringeZtar

DING DING DING- well played Zog. I imagine there won't be another chapter till next year and this is him celebrating all the winter holidays hahaha. As much as I hate it, mad respect. That aside, I remember in earlier books Jake thinking that there was either one Malefic Legacy skill he had yet to unlock or that they all came together as part of one major skill. I wonder where that theory will land- especially with Sacred Meditation and his Anomalous Soul skill upgrades.

Lemonsqueezy

"Harbinger of Frustrating Cliff-Hangers" (Sacred) - Gain experience from leaving your readers frustrated and longing for your return for the next chapter. Bonus experience gained when cliff-hanger falls on a long holiday or vacation.

Alex

I think what’s happened here is that by upgrading his profession, Jake has yoinked more Records from Villy through his Blessing. This happened back when Jake hit C grade too: Villy said when Jake upgraded his profession to Heretic-Chosen that he’d actually reduced the number of Blessings he could hand out to other people.

Sylphie

Ree!

Lemonsqueezy

It is frustrating if this becomes the actual cliff hanger before the vacation (not getting a chapter on Monday and/or Tuesday). Mostly because I would have like to see the B-Grade evolution be finished, or at least know what choices Jake gets for his class. I am not that upset about it though. My ADHD will have me forget about it soon anyway, and I will be pleasantly reminded when Zog returns and I get that notification on my phone of a new chapter in January.

Lemonsqueezy

Ooo, that is an interesting thought. Maybe those Dings are not only for Jake but also for Villy.

Dalton Service

Alright that's it. Zog is just a villain at this point! How can we make it through the holidays standing on this cliff...

Dragon

It’s more equal then Jake probably thinks but I don’t think it would be in his favor. A c grade just wouldn’t be able to get a lot of the things villy has given

ABTelford

Word is he’s going to post one more chapter Monday or Tuesday.

Matthew Ruiz

Tftc I can’t wait for the audio book to come out. I believe I’ve gone through the whole series about 5 times by now. I’m glad my work lets me keep one AirPod in so I can listen to this series nearly 24/7. This series has seriously kept me sane over the years I seriously appreciate all that you do and I’m def buying those hardcovers.

Zebra Proteus

God dammit Zog! Great chapter and I absolutely love the series, but god dammit! You said no major hangers before the break!

Azayrian105

That Spirit of Man is probably going absolutely crazy right now. That is what I think is happening.

Saitama Solos Supremacies

Maybe the level ups come from the logic behind the decision to choose the profession itself? Forced to pick between two incredible professions, he chose the one that benefitted his friend/patron. That seems like a good Heretic-Chosen thing to do

DeAndrea H

I’m glad Jake finally picked. I was afraid we were going to get cliffed again without a choice being made. I gotta wonder if all those dings have anything to do with Oras and the eye thing that Jake pushed a shit ton of Jake Juice into when he needed rescue in the void. Ora’s kept that orb and indicated that a plan was in motion. It’s been implied that Oras has always liked Jake bc Oras sees time non-sequentially and implied Jake would help him evolve somehow. Maybe Jake is being rewarded for his unintentional help? Evolving a void god has to be HUGE!

Fyrtue

Anybody else thinks it's possible he upgraded his blessing? Not like before where it boosted an extra stat but maybe reach some level higher than the true blessing?

ABTelford

Hm…what if him choosing that option suddenly boosted the records of everyone in the order and on earth, causing mass level ups for those people and thus him? That’d be weird. So, very Jake. 😉

Admiral Dakbar

This might be one of the worst cliffs I’ve experienced on the Patreon. Christmas ruined

tigerfishie

Yknow, I was initially like “hm, I don’t see how this is going to require another chapter next week” until THAT. Goddamnit.

ABTelford

Nope, he promised one more chapter to give us all a merry Christmas. Bless your kind heart, Zogarth!

DeAndrea H

Man, that would set off a ripple. As far as the multiverse is concerned True Blessing is as blessed as it gets. Everyone would want to know about this new status and how it was possible. Eversmile would basically start stalking Jake

ABTelford

Ooo! That would be awesome!! Especially since Jake kinda forgot about the Oras orb in his reflections.

Lemonsqueezy

Ooh, another great theory. To me it is upgrades to legacy or passive alchemy skills (like brew potion). Seen a comment saying Villy could have gotten levels. Something with Spirit of Man could be a good theory. Maybe some sort of feedback loop. Where in Jake chooses the profession, this sends a ripple of experience to everyone and feeds back to Jake giving him levels and keeps bouncing back and forth until it dissipates (diminishing returns).

Daniel Pangione

From Zog: Yes, there will be one more chapter, either Monday or maybe over the weekend. Please let all the people who will definitely ask on Patreon know.

DeAndrea H

I love that Jake let his friendship with Villy influence his choice. Ell’Hakan would never! Perception might be the best stat but it has nothing on the Power of Friendship!

Cash Collins

Could the universe have just opened up and villy is coming to talk himself?

Bentao

Well it might be because Jake gets levels from Villy hunting down gods of unknown faction;D

Bi-Dailey

Typo "... perhaps even find that which the Primordial himself is yet aware of." "... unaware of."

Bentao

And regarding cliffhanger… Only one thing come to my mind the meme: ‚THOSE BASTARDS LIED TO ME’ ;D

Stephen

I am so glad there will be another chapter. Cause if that was it till the new year I would be rioting.

Josie

No way... Spirit of Man provides extra experience for profession related activities.. are all these subsequent dings the effect of leveling up to his new OP B grade profession??

joel southard

Thank you for the chapter

Jake Schmitz

Zog........ you suck! Jkjk but seriously, dangling off this cliff? Great chapter, great story, great characters, great everything! I can't wait for what's coming!

Matteo Corazza

5 cent theory, the Malefic Viper skills changed name as Villy start to understand the origin of the skills in his legacy thanks to Jake's new class. Not only Jake but everyone in the Order with that skills is receiving all the notifications like him.

Kytayn K.

Hi Zogarth, I'm happy you decided to write today's chapter anyway. You're right, this is much milder than the "and now for the profession..." wait we would have had. Still, you got us. I'm eager to read what happens next, as usual. Good stuff.

Lemonsqueezy

Another great theory to the dings. Maybe all of Jake's "Legacy of the Malefic Viper" skills changed to say "Primeval" or "of the Primal Hunter". I think I like this one more than even my own or the several others I have read.

Josie

Ha. Jake says options 4&5 are equal, but only 1 deepens this bromance with best buddy Villy and gives Perception. No contest! And honestly? Uncovering ancient mysteries and secrets is way more fun than primarily focusing on creating new variants. No wonder why Oras likes Jake. Anyway, hyped for B grade 🎉

Mr.Spooks

Good cliff fr fr we got the class, all I could’ve asked for

Josie

When Villy gets back online and asks Jake "What did you do now?!" It would be great if instead of a reasoned explanation Jake just defends his choice with "it offered Perception 🤗"

Dan

Pleeeease bless your unworthy readers with at least a Monday chapter! If we have to wait to know what just happened, I get it, but DAMN that's a mean cliff after we already saw his race evolution bug out

Jack

I doubt that the universe would jump from C-Grades to God's in such a short time my guess is that the universe will open up in proportion to the strength of the inhabitants of the new universe

Samuel Jones

While not as common, leaving out the 'not' is perfectly acceptable, although the implication of this usage, especially coming from a system description, is quite interesting if intentional

NicN

Tftc

Josie

Heh. Thinking back to all the comments regarding cliffs over the past several episodes I think many of us would have the profession "Reader of Perennial Consumption" Endless starvation for the next chapter. And it pairs dynamically with a certain Malefic Author

SmokeJam

A totally normal and uneventful evolution - title of jakes biography.

Rimantas Podlinevas

Hope this chapter ends up breaking a record on Patreon

Dalton Willis

CLIFFHANGER AHHHHH FUCKIN SHIT SHIT SHIT :(

Admiral Dakbar

He said on the discord page we will get one more chapter either through the weekend or Monday thankfully

ChickeWin

Can’t wait for Jake and Villy to crack open a cold one and discuss what the fuck just happened

jobe matula

damn it! I was totally coming to the comments to bich about how boring the chapter was then... the last two paragraphs happened lol.🤣

Kt-x

Damn it! Another cliffhanger!!! Arghhhh!! 😂 I hope Villy is getting levels or something like that! And as a chosen Jake's getting a bite of the pie! 🥧😁

Takoda Heitz

With the Exalted Prima related events around the corner if we end up seeing anymore Jake clones or simulated Jake’s then it would be cool af to see what primordial usurper Jake would have looked like.

Indevan Jones

Is the dings levels, or notifications of things dying? Also with the weird thing happening related to Villy, is Jake seeing whatever Eversmile is doing and that he might be there? Or is it the weird Unity god faction gonna do another jakenapping attempt?

Marter

This Christmas break is going to kill me

Kaladin

First off, Void Lollipop > Puzzle Box. Second, pretty sure Jake has helped Villy more than he helped Jake. Jake got him out of his divine domain and depression for the first time since the first? Era, he got Villy at least one level as a primordial Godking, and he's reconnected Villy with the first sage. I do think he'll eventually resurrect Villy's family. I know Jake just has his own unique perspective.

Collateral_ink

While I will agree that Jake has helped Villy far more than he realizes, I do not believe he is even close to "out" of his depression. Based on what we have seen from the First Sage and how his bloodline operates, the Viper doesn't even experience time and memory remotely similar to anyone else anymore. His "memories" are as real and present to him at all times. He is essentially living his memories constantly, not recalling them. Which means he is constantly experiencing the deaths of his family.

DirePants

Wow… this whole chapter went how I expected it to go. Except the multiple dings… damnit I was planning on taking a break but I have to know!

Quinn

All of his of the Malefic skills changed. That’s my bet

Corey bess

Zogarth i just read your authors note to respond to assholes in the comments. Ive never laughed so hard in my life. I really hope you see this and even tho this lowly one doesnt matter much to your pocket book i just wanna say...hell yea. You fucking rule. Fucking legend. Edit: and for the record i thought nevermore was fucking awesome. I dont know why people complained. Infact its shocking to me to learn people had an issue with it. As it was one of my favorite parts of the series. So much happened and seeing people act like it didnt is wild. Sorry i know this comment is out of place in this chapter release but i didnt know where else to show support about that topic after seeing it. Not that you needed it but still.

Corey bess

It was from an old authors note he posted after nevermore was wrapping up. A bunch of young masters in the comments were being a bag of dicks and zogarth let them know whats up. Based as hell. It made me tear up from sheer BDE

Brian

Anyone whom Jake has helped evolve in the past just got unexpected evolutions! Ding! Ding! Ding!

C. Adkins

EXCUSE ME! Jake’s insane perception stat allowed him to PERCEIVE the correct choice. And that choice was the Power of Friendship. It’s Very different.

David

This cliff hanger was diabolical lol

Georgia Guy-Williams

Just a thought but why doesn't the Primeval Alchemist of Malefic Origins have intelligence as a stat as that is a key part of villys path?

Abhishek

4 levels for choosing a profession? Interesting. Good cliff! I’m really exited for the class upgrade.

Peter

How do we get the discord link?

Mat

That version would be weak either due to Villy of that reality being way weaker resulting in him being slain or the Jake being opportunistic idiot who jumped ships first sight or trouble. Either way weak

John R

Total ass… without a doubt…

JBMIV

I hope that, at some point, Jake will use his Origin energy to bring back Villy’s wife and kid. That would be next level.

Gman

When Jake did the primeval origins, he didnt get the full experience. Only for doing parts that would be considered part of alchemy arts. So all the Jake juice stuff was unused experience and now that he was the new profession. He cashed it all in

Thomas Mccullagh

Love the series! I think he got levels from his comprehension, or upgrades. But Villy is a planner, patient and devious and he seduces women etc to get his way. I bettttt wayyy down the road there is a huge falling out and villy and Jake have a massive multiverse battle

Corey bess

Shhhhhhh. Cuz jake takes what he wants and leaves the rest behind. His bloodline threatened the systems family til it replaced it with perception didnt you see the error messages? Lol

Mat

Base on C-grade evolution Ding- Bond Change Ding - Blessing Change Ding - Skill Upgrade Ding - New Skill Offer

DeAndrea H

I was re-reading Nevermore and realized that the Bound God absorbed the Perennial Arcane Marble. So switching his profession to Primeval, he may be getting records from Nevermore, Oras, Sylphie, Vesperia, Sandy, Jasper, and the Demon Prince all at once?

DeAndrea H

I desperately want that arc. That and the story behind Duskleaf’s real name (Shattered Dusk Emperor)

MATTHEW ARMENTROUT

That’s a cliffhangers. But anyone else fill like all Jacks malefic viper skills are going to become origin of the malefic viper skills or that the connection to Villy will result in Villy receiving some of the “Jack juice”

Death56

He just mutated all his viper skilss

Random58

Now that he finally has a profession tied to his primeval origin energy, does this mean he will gain levels from his creations? Like if Vesperia does something significant maybe he will level up based off of that.

ZanSanCho

Thank you and fuck you Zog. I bought up and caught up only to get a week long cockblock of a cliffhanger. Villy dammit.

Nick

I think the profession name is wrong. Explicitly Primeval Origins. Not Malefic Origins. So should be Malefic Alchemist of Primeval Origins.

Endern

That's my current working theory too. I always found it odd that Vesperia's creation, which leveled even gods, only resulted in a few levels for Jake. This chapter also had a focus on professions and experience gain.

Kota

Don't think so. Part of this path is that Jake, as an alchemist, explores and relies upon the Viper's origins - the Malefic Origins. This wording stresses that this class connects Jake's Harbinger abilities and his alchemy to the Viper much more closely.

Damascus

I think that since they were telepathically linked those were the Vipers dings. 4 levels for Jake evolving to B grade without forsaking his patron.

Corey S

I knew as soon as we saw this option that he would take it lol. I don’t think it was truly as close as it seemed with Jake mumbling about the pros and cons

Sean

The dings are probably all of the new origins skills he's getting

Fdrugc

You misunderstand how much Villy values his friendship with Jake

Bookreader97

I think Jake choosing that profession counted as something a chosen heretic would do and that’s why he’s getting all the levels

Bookreader97

Villy is going to be the last thing Jake hunts for sure. I think his whole friend group will replace the primordials. Ruinmaden will take Val’s spot. Casper will take the blightfather. Sword saint with aon clock, possibly William with eversmile, silfi with the elemental one, Jacob with holy mother, and the healing bloodline guy with the dao lord, Arnold will become a void god possibly replacing oras, there’s more but I can’t think of them

brjenness

important and totally on topic questions: did hawk tuah go false god mode in his fight with valdemar? if jake never existed and Carmen was exactly as strong and accomplished as she is, would valdemar use her name?

brjenness

favorite scenes i can think of at the moment: 1. jake announced as winner at nevermore 2. jakes's walk through haven after killing hawk tuah 3. molt

Corey bess

I know that seems like it is the likely outcome but i really hope not. I do want to see them fight but i really like jake and villy being friends. I would rather explore a future where jake becomes strong enough to help the snake god and revive his wife and child. Its very possible he goes the other way but i hope not. It makes me kind of depressed to think about seeing their relationship turn to an one of enemies. Infact i think yip of yore was clossr than he thinks to what villys goal is he said he was waiting for jake. But what if he is the reason jake happened. Think about his profession name. Primeval alchemist of 'malefic origins' I think villy planned ALL of this. I think hes been working on a way to bring back his wife and kid for a very long time and that in his divine realm hes been trying to interfere with or use the system itself to get what he wants. But realizing he couldnt maybe he found a way to LATER get what he wants in order to do it. This could be consuming jake like yip or it could be that since HE couldnt do it he found a way to create someone that could. And what better way than with the integration of a new universe. When jake learns all of this they may be forced into a temporary state of conflict but im hoping thats when jake realizes that villy doesnt need to consume him to bring back his family. But that he can just do it. Idk im not saying its not possible but it would just feel really unenjoyable to watch one of my favorite relationships in the series go that way. I do actually agree with your sentiment that jakes friends will all rise to primordial levels. I dont know if i think theyll replace them or not tho. Again this whole take is just very antagonistic and also the last and final reason i dont think this will happen is a comment by zog himself on a podcast interview. He says all the other stories he read that he was inspired by always had calamities and disasters waiting in the wings or some terrible thing to happen. And he said he doesnt want this he wants a chill lighthearted story. And infact states that was one difficulty or challenge when making everything in that he needed to make jake someone who wanted to get stronger but not because there was some grand catastrophe to thwart or something. To me villy turning into the big bad and all the primordials turning into enemies very much falls into that realm. So i just dont see it. Hopefully not anyways. Not that its not a clever and cool concept. Ultimately tho it just feels wrong to havs

Josie

1. molt 💚 2. Jake v Valdemar 3. Oras manifests from the freaking lollipop

Azayrian105

You know I am even more excited for B-Grade Nevermore. Wonder what will happen this time around.

Bob Fight

Bru you see the release date for book 15 jan1 2200 😭 zog is apparently at least e grade

Jordan Rogers

I’m hoping for at least ten times the levels… and probably a whole new creation arc, segment were his access of origin energy allows him to make the nevermore goddesses explore in ecstasy and Artemis gets all jealous… and minaga goes well he literally cheats at everything did you expect better? And gundrun has to hog tie valdamar from spending a thousand years watching the nevermore run cause they got bigger issues with the hidden faction of the totally not a “necromancer god” who is zombie-fying the gods they’ve captured. The king gets stuck in stuff easy for everyone else and complains of unfairness from another unique life form being biased against him. And sylphie just runs around yelling REE! A lot.

Peako Lynch

Just taking a wild guess but, with the Four dings perhaps it’s a level gained for each of his prior experiments? Sylphie, Sandy, Vesperia, and Jasper. Or it’ll have to do with levels or skill changes. From what I know, the dings usually refer to any system notifications, though we usually just see them referring to levels. Tyftc.

Jip

“Ill leave a cliff, but not too big of a cliff” YOU LYING SON OF A ZOGMOM. Got me itching like an addict over here. Did jake fuck over his connection with villy? Did he lose some aspects of skills now that his profession isnt that of a heretic-chosen, even if he is still technically one? Did he get some utter bullshit like he usually does? We dont know! We wont know for weeks! Anyways…😂 Happy holidays Zog, thanks for another year of fantastic writing and entertainment. I and everyone here appreciate you immensely (even when you edge us a little bit). Enjoy your break. I’m excited to see what another year brings!

Jason Connors

Maybe its his legacy skills upgrading since all of them said C-grade version

Mark

DING! You've gained the title Dark Lord of the Snek.

Strato Junon

Been hoping to see the next chapter appear. But might be tomorrow I suppose

Mikesch

The next Audible go-live has been scheduled. It's 7th of Jan. I really like those audiobooks. Nice Travis found the time for another

Azayrian105

So based on the release schedule when will this chapter be in Kindle? Want to see how long I am going to be forced to wait.

Xerecs

Hopefully it won't take too long for him to get 14 done and catch the audiobooks up to the current book release. Although according to amazon book 15 will release on March 25th.. so if he doesn't get 14 done soon the audiobooks will be two books behind the actual released books.

Flopmind

Thanks Zog! Merry Christmas!

phil

looking back on these chapters gets he hyped for the upcoming arc, I'm especially excited to see how the other bloodline patriarch, Arron, is progressing cause he has an arcane affinity as well so id love an in depth chapter or two exploring his progress. maybe even including a small look into the dio sect since we know basically nothing from them as readers. oh and an update on the good boy Ollie

Rachel Clements

TYFTC! Plot twist - Villy got levels!

Chloe

Jake started out helping Villy get out of his funk and return to the land of the living. I would say everything Villy has done since has been approaching payback to a friend. So I dont buy the scales tipped so far from not equals. That said, tyftc