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Heartstopper S2E5 - "Heat" - UNCUT (Patreon)

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2023-08-27 22:38:13
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Kat

I found it interesting that you said that you think Ben was in love with Charlie. I do think he had genuine feelings of attraction and infatuation towards Charlie, but my immediate reaction to you saying “love” was “ew, no.” But that then made me think about how different people have different definitions of “love” (mine may be different than yours), and what they think qualifies as that. Which brings me back to that conversation with Nick and Ben, where Nick says “you didn’t actually like Charlie”, because for Nick “liking” someone means appreciating and caring for someone. For Ben, it seems to be more just “I’m attracted to you, and I want to be with you in that way”, but may not necessarily include caring about them as a person. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that Ben’s feelings looking back were about how Charlie made *him* feel - but of course, how much of Charlie does Ben actually *know*? How much of him thinking that he wants to be with Charlie is about him “loving” Charlie, and how much of it is him seeing how happy Nick and Charlie are together, and thinking he could have also been that happy if “Charlie just gave me more time”? Is he even in love with Charlie… or the idea of Charlie? (It’s interesting you bring up Ben wanting to know about Charlie’s day. I wonder if that was genuine interest in Charlie’s day… or was it a tactic to get closer to him? It makes me think about the first scene with Ben in episode 1, when Charlie tried to initiate a conversation with Ben about their winter holidays - and Ben cut him off by kissing him.)

Graham & Ruth May

Great reaction, Harry. Thank you! ❤️ There are a lot of very enjoyable moments in this episode, but the show doesn’t shy away from the darker themes and it feels like they are surfacing more and more. Poor or effective parenting and its effects is a theme running through the series and the role of both fathers and mothers. It’s interesting that Nick and Tao both have absent fathers, though in differing ways. They both to some extent seem to have taken on a caring, assuming of responsibility role, as if being fatherless has brought out that side of their characters, although it’s also created a kind of void which they each try to fill in different ways. About eating disorders: from my own experience as a secondary school teacher all my working life, I can say that eating disorders are extremely complex. Years ago-but maybe still, in some people’s minds- they were associated with adolescent girls and dieting, but as we saw in this episode, they are actually associated with mental health issues and the need for control when other things seem impossible to control, which can affect anyone and at any age. I think it’s very helpful that the show is exploring a teenage boy’s eating disorder and giving him a loving, supportive relationship with Nick, because although having that is wonderful, in my experience at least, it’s not enough on its own and the expertise of a professional who is outside the personal circle is necessary, one of the reasons that therapy can be so important in getting help.

Aaron Davis

I realized that I was Asexual and Aromantic at around like 12 years old. I didn’t have the same Issues of realization and/or acceptance that Issac appears to be having so I’m not gonna touch on that part. But one problem that has persisted for me as I’ve grown older is the dynamic with my group of friends. I have a friend group of 5 including myself. Two of those friends are married with child. The other two are engaged. Now given that I have no interest in being married or just being in a relationship, my intimate friendships are my highest tier of relationship. They are my main priority. However, given that they are all in serious romantic relationships, they each have people in their lives, in this case other friends in the group, that they prioritize over me (as they should). And given that they share this experience, when they go on double dates and stuff, it can seem like all of my friends are intentionally hanging out without me. It’s like there’s an….eternal imbalance that can be incredibly draining at times. And I have to always handle it with care, or else it’ll become resentment on my part. And dealing with the want to be someone’s highest priority, but it seeming like, at the stage in life I’m in, it would require being “more than friends.” In short, I sometimes feel quite lonely, and many times have blamed it on my being aroace. With all that said. Your thoughts on Isaac made me think about how they went on that “Triple date” without him. With Elle and Tao basically together now, if they are indeed going the asexual route, I’m very curious to see 1: How Issac will feel about all of his closest friends being in relationships. 2:How THEY will handle all being in relationships but Issac. 3: How Issac would handle the thoughts of “never having what they have,” and the loneliness that can come with it. I don’t see them touching on all this, at least not this season. But it would still be nice.

Harry Allen
>>116202492

Thank you so much for this comment! I never even thought about the idea that for someone who isn't interested in a romantic relationship, friendships would be all that more important. Like you said, its a normal thing for people to spend less time with friends when they get into serious relationships, I just never thought about how that would be a hard thing for those who don't have any 'attraction' towards getting into one themselves. The 'triple date' thing is a great example of how he may be feeling isolated and left out which sucks. All of that said, this has all just made me want to explore his story even more!

Harry Allen
>>116191097

You broke it down perfectly! My thoughts are that I definately think that Ben's 'love' is a very selfish one. I think that in his own mind he does love Charlie but not in the same way that you or I see love. He see's it through a lense of how Charlie makes him feel, completely ignoring his side of things and how he makes Charlie feel. Someone like Ben has a lot of inner hatred and that alone has let him get into the mindset of being the victum all the time, which in turn has made him overtly selfish in every aspect of his life. The whole world is out to get him so he deserves to do things that make him happy and him alone. Thats how I see Ben and his version of love, completely self-centred and self-serving. That is a GREAT point about asking about his day that I hadn't considered before. You coudl take it two ways, either he was genuinely asking cause in Ben's mind that was him 'trying harder' which is hilarious, but you could deffo see it as a simple way to get closer and weasel his way back in.

Graham & Ruth May
>>116202492

Loveless also by Alice Oseman explores this really well. Worth reading it and also, Solitaire, which is Tori’s story and introduces Nick and Charlie already in a relationship but also features Ben, if you want to find out what happens to him.

Steve Teeter

A few months ago I was talking with my therapist / counselor (who is also gay), and I mentioned Heartstopper, which he'd seen. I told him that, though I didn't yet know how the show would handle it, from the books I knew that Charlie and an eating disorder would likely be a topic. He said, "When you see anorexia in men, it's almost always in gay men." I said, "And I bet I know why. Body image, right?" "Right."

Kay

These last four episodes I think are my fave of season 2. The Charlie and Tao friendship is beautiful and I love the little flashback we get to them meeting for the first time. I think the scene where they talk on the bridge is one of my favourite, because it shows the strength of their friendship. There is no hesitation in Charlie, when Tao tells him about his conversation with Isaac being overheard. And I love that Charlie is so aware of Tao's feelings in that moment, which mirrors Tao being so aware of Charlie in season 1 episode 8 when he speaks to Nick at the benches.

Emily Brown

I like the scene when Nick quietly encourages Elle on so many levels. First, what he says speaks directly to his experience in S1 of not fully understanding, but letting himself just feel. I also love that he is quietly, secretly helping Tao. Nick has never shown any animosity towards Tao, despite having reason to.

Emily Brown

Also, the attention to detail and subtle visual storytelling of this show is so clever. Did you notice Tao was in a butterfly print shirt in this episode? So cute!

Emily Brown
>>116202492

I think Alice said show Ben ends up taking a different path than Solitaire Ben (thankfully)

Kat
>>116191097

Yes, I agree with all this so strongly!

Kat
>>116202492

Yeah, she said only some aspects of Solitaire will end up getting adapted into the show (not gonna discuss/speculate about which ones because spoilers 🤐)

Tom Bendall

Ben absolutely views a BF/GF, whether it's Charlie or Imogen, as an accessory. A possession. He doesn't grasp that Charlie is a person in his own right, who left him of his own free will

lisa mcarthur

hi just wounding when u going to do the rest of the season on here so i can keep my eyes open for them i love this show its show everything that does happen in real life its beautiful show to watch

Elizabeth Gates

I think part of the turnaround from Harry might also have been because of Christian, Sai, and Otis saying they weren't friends with him anymore. He's losing more people than just Nick, which might have finally gotten through to him a little bit.