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The Vampire Diaries S7E6 - "Best Served Cold" - UNCUT (Patreon)

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Julian is already making me ANGRY and he has been in one episode lmao. Also CAROLINE AND ALARIC??? HUH

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Patpet

Lots of people see Alaric like a father figure, but let's not forget that he is more or less the same age of Damon. He find himself in the situation of being a father figure because Elena is the daughter of his ex wife, that gave birth to her when she was 16 years old girl, and that after that he date Jenna that was as well just few years older than Elena, younger than what Caroline would be in the three years ahead period. Alaric is really good person, and a very actractive man. So let's see.

Patpet

If there is one thing that I wish the show would have done more, are the one to one conversations between the brothers. We are starting to have an insite of how the life in Salvatore house hold must have been, how damaging it was. Stefan mention how Julian punch remanind him of Giuseppe one, he was punching his kids!!! We know already that Damon that was older took the full effect of living in an abusive family environment, at the point of having a conflicting relationshhip with his father, he wanted to rebel, but at the same time he went to war to please him, to a war he didn't believe in, an still his father was never happy with him. Stefan being younger didn't have the same ull realization of what was going on, but grow up seen Damon taking all the balme for everything that went on on that household, teach him to be more guarded, to be more diplomatic, more manipulative, to hold on to his good kid brother reputation, to survive their father and mother. There is were Stefan's personality come from, he avoid to be hated at all costs, he let his brother do the dirty work, he learned how to manipulate people to avoid conflicts, because he grow up with the fear of being treated like Damon was in their childhood. So how Damon was treaten in their childhood? We still have to discover that part. That is why I love season 7 because it tide up al the unexplained loose end regarding the brothers personality traits and explain them perfectly.

Hali
>>129369165

Alaric is much older than Damon. Damon is supposed to be frozen around 25. Caroline and co post-time jump would be around 22-23 (but she’s frozen at 17). Add 16 years to that (because of when Isobel had Elena) then, assuming Alaric and Isobel were the same age, that makes Alaric around 36-37 years old post-time jump (when you take away the year he was dead) when he’s engaged to Caroline. Alaric was older than Jenna when they dated, but she was an adult so it was fine. Caroline on the other hand was his student and he was her best friend’s guardian and, to an extent, acted as a parental figure to the human & recently turned vampires of the group.

Hali

Totally with you on the Caroline/Alaric relationship. It was completely inappropriate considering the dynamics at play and the vast majority of the fandom agrees. I don’t know what the writers were thinking tbh.

Hali

I’m not quite as harsh as most people are on Lily. I’m gonna preface this by saying that Damon and Stefan are more than entitled to feel how they feel about Lily because she has NOT been a good mother to them since her return. But looking at things from her perspective, I imagine that l being in an abusive marriage, getting turned into a vampire and then forced to abandon her children with her abusive husband because being with her would be infinitely more dangerous for them was quite traumatic. Her way of dealing with having to leave Stefan and Damon seemed to be completely removing them from her mind & distancing herself emotionally from them. Considering this likely happened after she sent Valerie and Oscar to check on them, it wouldn’t be a stretch to assume Julian encouraged this form of coping. Factoring in the heightened emotions of a vampire + 170 years of doing this it’s not surprising that she’s struggling with letting Stefan and Damon back in. But I don’t think she’s just this cold hearted bitch who doesn’t care about her kids. It’s not a coincidence that the first time she momentarily lets herself see who Julien truly is is right after he attacks Damon and Stefan. I also have sympathy for the fact that she was in an abusive marriage for a chunk of her human life, and left vulnerable after becoming a vampire, ended up in another one. Her relationship with Julien might not be physically abusive, but it’s clearly coercive control which can at times be even more difficult for a victim to overcome because you can’t tell which side of them is “real” due to the lack of physical abuse. Overall I think because of Giuseppe and Julien, Lily has never really had room to figure out who she is, so there’s still room for her to rectify her mistakes.

Andrea Dcosta

The end is my fav part of the episode the reveal of the twins being alive and inside of Caroline is so cool, I love the way they show it. Alaric's actor - Matt Davis is such a good actor I always bawl my eyes out when Ric says goodbye to Faux Joe 😞it's so so sad to see but beautiful at the same time, I really love they show us this in the show bringing her back in a way and Ric getting to spend sometime and saying goodbye was wonderful to see.

Patpet
>>129370318

@AndreaDcosta dear, so happy to see you. I tried to invited you in my Discord page not to lose you. I don't know if you received my invitation. But anyway I am glad to see you here.

Patpet
>>129369165

Damon was frozen at 25 but he is actually 170 something, but if you count 25 in the first season and Alaric in his late 20's after 8 years....They chose an actor that is their same age, so Alaric in the show can't be much much older.

Patpet

Caroline frozen at 17 in the time jump is supposed to be 8 years after the first season. So she would be 25. Jenna in the first season was supposed to be finishing her university so she must have been around 23/24 dating Alaric. Alaric in the time jump was 37.

Sade L.

I’m also one of the very few who feels for Lily..she didn’t just “decide” to stop loving her children..she was abused her whole marriage, got sick and got sent away to die alone. When she came back to get them..she realized she was a ripper. I believe the combination of being abused, losing her kids, becoming a ripper, and having a dimmer switch kind of like Stefan, caused her to disassociate to cope and survive. Enter Julien and his horrible manipulation and she never stood a chance. She collected her other family to fill the void..then got locked away in a prison world. Stefan and Damon’s feelings are definitely valid but I also think that Lily is owed some sympathy and understanding and patience 🤷🏾‍♀️ Also, she’s not really a villain either , she has only ever retaliated AFTER being provoked

Patpet
>>129380947

Let's not forget accontablity. She took part in abusing her children, remeber the episde when she described when a vase was broken and amon was bitten black and blue and left crying and after that because he wouldn't still admit he broke the vase they would take his toy away? That is abuse. Once she became a vampire she could have come back and kill Giuseppe. She is the adult, those are her kids, she left Damon in charge of protecting Stefan from Giuseppe he was 17. She could have been in an abusive relationship, but that doesn't make her less accountable from the way she took part in abusing their children and let Damon get the blame for things happening in the house and you know what I mean. Not to mention what she did now, starting with how she mention to Damon's face how she cannot care less about them, how the other family is the family she loves, how she took their home, and what she did to Elena, Bonnie and Damon, she try to kill Elena and Bonnie, and made Kay put Elena in a coma. No sorry the fact that she might have being abused too, doesn't excuse the fact that SHE choose as partners toxic male with the terrible consequences that we have only partially seen. Not only makes her accountable but makes her directly responsible, because being herself a narcissist they are never wrong in their heads, they are victims and they keep doing the same mistakes because they aren't self aware, and unless they get themself abused, they cannot care less to what happens to the children/people around them. Not only, being critical to the abuse that their partners are doing to the children would means having to admit they have been wrong in the choice they made and that isn't even contemplated, to reinforce the correctness of their choice they even take part in the abuse as Lilly did, until she got slapped around too. That doesn't make her a victime, that makes her someone that got karma biting her back, making her taste the same medicine she and her partners made taste to Damon and Stefan.

Patpet
>>129390604

She tried to kill Elena, Bonnie and even Jo, if Jo wasn't pregnant she would have kill her and Bonnie would have been dead because there wouldn't been anybody to take her to the hospital to take out whatever Lilly stub in her neck. She was the one suggesting Kay to put Elena in a coma linked to Bonnie, so that could never see each other again. She took part in the abuse of Damon as child. And when she came back she never failed to say to Damon's face how she cannot care less about them, calling in their conversations the other ramdom people "family". Let's not make an abuser a victime, just because she got some karma back to makes taste the same medicine she was giving to her children.

Kitty Underwood

I'm right there with you, I never liked the Alaric and Caroline pairing

Elizabeth Gates

I'll mention that the reason they wrote Caroline as the pregnant one versus a human like Bonnie was because Candice King was pregnant and they were trying to find a way to incorporate it into the show.

Hali
>>129380947

What? Lily was not abusive to Damon and Stefan when they were kids, that was their father. They always remembered her fondly up until the moment they realised she abandoned them instead of dying like they originally thought. Confiscating toys from a child until they tell the truth is not abuse, their father was the one beating on them. Secondly, killing Giuseppe wasn’t an option. Where would Damon and Stefan have gone then? Keeping in mind that this was *1864*. Was she supposed to take them with her and risk killing them herself? And even before she turned it was shown that she was trying to get both her and the kids away from Giuseppe – something that is already hard enough for a woman to do in 2024 much less in *1864* where women were considered their husband’s literal property. I’ve never claimed Lily was a good mother to Stefan and Damon, only that she hasn’t had the opportunity to be because of her relationships, and that she still has time to fix her mistakes now that she’s with them. Lastly, suggesting a woman is at fault for being in an abusive relationship/choosing and abusive partner is straight up victim-blaming which is your entire last paragraph so I’m not even dignifying that with a response. And it’s not that she “might” have been abused - she WAS abused and is STILL being abused.

Sade L.
>>129390604

She did all of that AFTER they lied and left her “family” in the prison world. They crossed her first and so she got vengeful. Which all of the main characters have done numerous times. Also, she didn’t take part in the abuse, she was a beaten and battered woman who was submissive out of fear, she is a victim . It’s easy to say what she would’ve, couldve or should’ve done without being in that type domestic violence situation. She’s still a fucked up person who did fucked up shit..so has everyone else. I’m only pointing out the reasons I believe she became the way she became. This is my opinion. I said what I said

Andrea Dcosta
>>129370318

Oh really? I don't think I did. get it. Anyways glad to see you here as well 🥰 Also, I knew you were in reactor Liam Catterson's page too for TVD but things didn't turn out well I guess I invite you to join him again I'm sure you won't be disappointed. Pls give it a try ❤️

Patpet
>>129390604

They already experienced Kay, they knew that people are put in the prison world are dangerous people. Of course they lie to her!! And as predicted she showed why she was put in the prison world.

Patpet
>>129390604

You haven't paid attention. She did took part of the abuse indeed!!

Patpet
>>129370318

I joined there again too, I saw he changed his mind.

Patpet
>>129380947

Lilly was abusive to Damon, you have forgotten the description of when he allegedly broke a vase, she was supportive of his bitting black and blue and letting him cry for hours and to torture him more to force him to comply, to admit what it was most likely not his fault, because a child that have been bitten at the point of being black and blue and still not admitting that the he broke the vase it is the truth, they would take away his toys. She speaks in plural, she that as an example of Damon bad behaviour in her opinion and how they would discipline him, that is why she was doing the same with Elena's coffin. That is physical and psychological abuse indeed!!! And she used the same method by taking away the town, their house. And the episode coming? No mother, no decent person would watch a child to be abused, physically or psychologically and stand there doing nothing...or even worse. And she keeps abusing him psychologically by telling to him she only cares for her new family, she took his house, his room, destroyed the town, tried to kill Elena, Bonnie and suggested to put Elena in a coma. She is no victim, she is an abuser, no mother would do any of what she did to her child, what she did to Damon, no normal person would do what she did to everybody. She is a narcissist looking for submissions choosing toxic male, and imposing her choice on others, with dare consequences, HER choice, and realising they are toxic ONLY when she gets abuse too, not before, before she supports the abuse done to others. A victim doesn't act like Lilly, a half decent mother could never ever forget about their children, a half decent mother would rather die than have their children abused, a half decent mother would rather kill her husband and go to prison then have their children abused . Lilly is despicable, as a mother, and as a human being, no excuse.

Tina

For me personally, Lilly is a terrible mum. In fact, I don't consider her a mother at all. I don't have an ounce of tolerance for someone who abuses children or watches children being abused. Lilly does both. She watches her husband abuse her children and she also does it herself, in a different way. Taking toys away from a child who has been beaten bloody and is crying is abuse. What else could it be???? Any normal mother would protect and comfort the child. But under no circumstances would she punish him further. It really scares me that there are people who tolerate or trivialise this behaviour. There is no excuse for child abuse!!!!

Sade L.
>>129390604

When they met her, she told them she had learned to control her bloodlust. If she had lied, they would’ve dealt with it. Stefan is a ripper as well..just as dangerous..yet he gets a pass because he’s a beloved main character

Sade L.
>>129390604

Also, I’ve paid quite a lot of attention as this is one of my favorite shows. maybe you misconstrued what YOU saw or heard. Not my problem, I said what I said

Sade L.
>>129390604

Lastly, never did I say I excused her behavior or that she’s a good mom or that she deserves forgiveness, she literally abandoned her kids..again my only point is that from a viewer perspective, a tiny bit of understanding is warranted in my opinion when you consider the mindset of a mother in a domestic violence situation as unique as this one (being that it’s supernatural FICTION) That’s literally it.

Patpet
>>129390604

I haven't misconstrued anything. Perhaps you need a scene reminder, underlining the points proving, she is an abuser taking part in the abuse just as much as Giuseppe. S7 ep 2, quoting...Damon enters in the family tomb and Elena isn't there because Lilly other her "family" to take Elena's coffin and put it in the river when she could stay there for the next 70 years. Damon is visibly and very justifiably upset... - Lilly "you always did throw the worse tantrum" ( that is tantrum to her as the tantrum he was doing back there, and that only should tells you something, because if that is a tantrum to her as the tantrum back there his were not tantrum at all, but justifiable rage) - Damon: "where is she?" - Lilly; "that is the fun of clocking spells, she could be next to you" (she is having fun) or she could be miles away, and I am the only one that knows where she is" -Damon " You want to punish me for what I did? Fine, do it, punish me, torture me, kill me for all I care, but leave Elena out of it" (telling to his mother to torture him or kill him as he knows she would) - Lilly "do you remember when you broke grandmother's vase?" - Damon: "what?" -Lilly: "you were young, 10 maybe, you denied it, even when your father made you cut a switch from the yard, even when he bit you with it until you where bloody. Still you denied it, vehemently. Sitting right there with your toy soldiers, bloody and bruised. So I switch tactics (She said I switch tactics, her idea, her reinforcement of the abuse, biting him was not enough for him to confess, she witness the biting and discuss the tactics on how to break him for sure a 10 years old child over a vase that most likely he didn't break. That is not abuse to you? That is how victims behave?) ....When you woke, your room is bare, no toy soldiers, no toys at all. You cried and cried, admitted everything" and then she proceed to blackmail him to leave town for good Then later the conversations between the brothers about it. -Damon to Stefan: "she has Elena, she is making me leave town, for good. if the rules where reversed what you have done?" -Stefan: "she has Caroline, she has Elena she has your house, she has the whole damn town" -Damon: "she has all our toys. Stefan whenever I did anything wrong as a kid, She took my toys (Damon said SHE, her not their father, HER...still thinking she is a victim?) SHE also took yours too. You cried like a little baby. I would do anything, anything SHE wanted to shut you up (again SHE is the perpetrator of the psychological abuse, the father abuse them physically, she abuse them psychologically and this was a pattern, something they have to go throw repeatedly, not only by taking Stefan's toys to , she was threatening/conditioning Stefan to be agreeable, complacent at all times or else, that is so toxic and devious ). ...This is her plan, she slowly taking away everything we care about. She wants to be mad at each other" (as she did in the past and she is still doing it...ids that a victim behaviour?) -Stefan; "you are right....." and so on. I hope that now it is clear enough, how she is as much of an abuser as Giuseppe was. You do not do that to children.

Patpet

Newmoon comment: “We know that Stefan was raised as a golden child and Damon was raised as a scapegoat. Between a scapegoat and golden child, golden child is more likely to become narcissistic themselves in adulthood. It doesn’t mean all golden child grows up to become narcissist and in this case, Stefan is not but it makes perfect sense why Stefan is afraid of becoming like his father because of the unhealthy coping mechanisms that golden child had to learn in early childhood and it’s similarities to the narcissistic behaviour. Golden child would get all the affection and love but this love is only conditional, as long as they behave exactly how their parents want, they can keep receiving that love, so they were conditioned to believe that they need to be perfect in order to be lovable and they carry this to adulthood but the more they grow up, the more they realise that perfection is not possible so they learn that they only need to appear perfect to the outside world and hide their flaws and imperfection from public eyes to keep receiving the affection so as the result their reputation becomes very important to them, so similar to the narcissist that their public image is the most important thing to them and they would absolutely do anything to keep that intact, the difference is the narcissist reached to the point of illusion and they start to completely believe their public image as their true self, but the golden child is aware that they’re only hiding their dark side and those flaws very much exist within themselves but as long as no one is aware of them, they can keep pretending that side of them never existed. Another reason is the golden child live for the spot light and they can’t stand the idea of not being in the spot light anymore so if they see that their parents are giving even a hint of affection to the other siblings, they would do anything, even manipulates the situation to turn the attention back to them and they feel terribly guilty every time they do that, this will help them to develop some skill full manipulation techniques from early childhood, making them a master manipulators in adulthood, similar to narcissists who are master manipulators, the difference is narcissist are completely aware of their skills and use it as a tool to get what they want and they don’t feel guilty about it at all, but the golden child because of their lack of self awareness, they’re not aware of what they’re doing and see manipulation as a way to escape their insecurities and put themselves out of trouble and they absolutely feel guilty for doing this. We saw multiple time in this show, how Stefan was using mental and emotional manipulation on Elena or Damon and sometimes he was using the exact words that his father used to tell Damon, now that we can see he’s showing concern about the possibility of him ended up being like his father, this showed he reached to a little bit of self awareness that he started to see some patterns and similarities between himself and his father’s actions that got him scared of becoming like his father but this alone is also another sign that he hasn’t developed narcissistic traits. There are multiple reason why Stefan didn’t grow up to become a narcissist, one of them is because his nature and how he’s fundamentally a good person and is capable of feeling remorse but there are other reasons that I talk about it in later episodes".

Patpet
>>129479389

Fabulous analysis of Stefan's psychological profile. TVD is so deep and season seven is such a writers goal in terms of characters defining that explain beautifully the complexity of the behaviour of the two brothers during the entire show. Kudos to the writers that have been so genial.

Sade L.
>>129380947

@Hali thank you, this is exactly what I also was trying to convey

Sade L.
>>129390604

Sorry but I’m not reading all of that. It’s not that serious. My stance nor my opinion will change. You interpret the show how you’d like and I’ll interpret it how I’d like. Thanks

Maribel Humble
>>129390604

After reading your comment, I can only conclude that you are not a mother. Even if Lily was abused in her marriage, it is no excuse to let her children be abused, too. A true mother would do whatever she can to protect her children from an abuser, even if the mother is abused herself. If anything, the abuse of her children would only prompt her to save her children even more.

Sade L.
>>129390604

Don’t assume to know anything about me. Shit is irrelevant which is why I didn’t respond to your stupid ass question. This is a fictional show. Now run along

Maribel Humble
>>129390604

Not answering the question is still an answer, and your comment merits the conclusion that you are not a mother. It is horrible for a woman or anyone to be abused, but it is abominable for a mother to see her children be harmed and let it happen and do almost nothing about it. No decent human being will ever sympathize with a mother like that.

Hali
>>129380947

Not reading all that. You have a strong bias to Damon that makes you highly critical of any character he has animosity towards and unable to view things from the other character’s perspective. I’ve laid out my reasons for why I see things the way I do and you don’t seem to have empathy or understanding for abuse victims (especially ones with children) so I really have nothing more to say about this :/

Patpet
>>129380947

And both failing to make any sense, since Lilly is not a victim is a vilian, a narcissist that likes to abuse psychologically Damon and Stefan an that got to taste her own medicine. The fact that you both fail to see it, it is straight up child abuser difence, no question about that, no chance to be correct about this at all, since the writers have been clear about it. Nobody here apart from you two think Lilly is a victim that nees to be given excuses for her abusive, omicidal, malicious, spitefull, unmothering beaviour with her natural children, especially Damon and their loved ones. Sorry but you forgot how she wanted to kill Elena,, Jo and Bonnie and you also missed the details of the conversations that took place in episode 2 and listen carefully to the conversations between Damon and Lilly where she decribe how SHE reinforce Giuseppe physical abuse that haven't been effective enough to breaking a 10 years old Damon's spirit, with her speciality psychilogical abuse, finally being successuful in breaking him, I repeat a 10 years old child and the following conversation between Damon and Stefan where is described how she applied her threatning psycological methods to Stefan too, preventivally, to conditioning him, to force him to be agreeable at any circumstances or else and Stefan was 3 or 4 years old!!! In that conversation is decrided how she keeps applaying the same malicious methods in the present days by taking away all the things Damon and Stefan cares about to get her way, to have what she wants, to punish anybody that doesn't feed her nacissism. And rewatch the upcoming episode, where she did what she did. It is astonishing and worrying, how can people find excuses for a child abuser, just because it's a woman, and just because they got abused too we should give them a free pass and ignore her malicious psychlogical abuse? Psychological abuse on children has long lasting consequences, as well explained here in TVD. And surelly showing Lilly and her abusive behaviour the writers intention is not to give Lilly a free pass otherwise they woud have write her a plain victime, never an abuse perpetrator. A child abuser has no excuses, I will never ever give a free pass to any kind of child abuse no matter what.

Patpet
>>129390604

Of course not, it's proving UNEQUIVOCALLY that she is an abuser, and god forbid, reading more than two lines is an effort for someone that are not used to read anything. You are not interstested in truth or facts, or in what the writers wanted to convey to the audience, are you? You are just childishly interested in being right no matter what, not open to any ddiscussion, not open to anything, and being rude when asked a simple question that exposes your lackings. Well if you wanted to present yourself to the group, you surelly did!! By the way there is no opinion in TVD, only what the writes wrote,and they are very precise and detailed, leaving zero space for interpertation. Conversations and scene are there not casually but to comunicate something specific, that if you want to ignore them for some weird reasons, that I don't care to investigate, it's your problem. But by writing the way you answer and present yourself, with your close minded rude attitude, you make it a problem to everybody here also because reading a difence of a child abuser is disturbing to any normal decent person, because that Lilly is an abuser there is no doubt, as I proved in my post, but you can't read more than two lines, as you can't understand what you see in TVD and surely this post is way too long for you.

Sade L.
>>129390604

You need to seek professional help. This is a fictional supernatural show that went off air yearsssss ago...the way you absolutely have to argue everyone down in the comments on every post for every reactor is what’s childish. Stop trying to force your opinion or interpretation on other people. It’s not that serious. I do not have to agree with you or anyone else. My opinion is MY opinion. My perspective is MY perspective. My interpretation is MY interpretation. Now if you continue to attack and berate me for simply leaving my comment, I promise you will regret it

Sade L.

@Harry if “Patpet” continues to create a hostile environment within the comments, I will be forced to report him to Patreon. This isn’t the first time and I’m sick of it. I have collected screenshots of every interaction I’ve had with him as well as other hostile interactions he has had with other members on various reactors Patreons. Just want you to be aware in case they reach out to you. Thanks!

Patpet
>>129380947

@Hali No that is what child minded people say to justify to be wrong, you have to put other down to make your child abuser support into something else, Damon bias, sure..... I don't do bias, I don't support child abusers either. YOU do. And like children you don't read things because otherwise you would have to admit to be wrong and that is what you want, never to be wrong. How infantile. Of course you have nothing more to add, excusing a child abuser speaks volumes about you in itself.