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Star Trek: TNG 3x13 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Thomas Corp

Perfect episode to leave things on before the break. Certainly, this episode is a reprieve from the heavier topics of the season thus far, whilst peril still is there. This is my favorite Q episode. I know how you’ve spoken about having chapter and verse episodes as I believe is your description. This is one of I believe at least seven, technically eight depending on how one assesses two-parters, such episodes for me. Of those seven, this is one of the two that I’ve rewatched the most; we won’t get to the other one for a while. Love that you vibed with this episode, particularly how it lands in the middle of you having recurring shows of a character who fucks around so much and is shocked, SHOCKED when in genuine peril or distress that no one believes them. The sass that comes from that reaches glorious levels with John selling his dismay, and the crew’s responses, chief amongst them, Worf saying Q can just die if he if he wants to prove his mortality that badly, knew you’d have a strong reaction to that. Then there’s when Q describes Picard as being the closest thing he has to a friend, we have that great moment of Picard looking up from his iconic and heavily memed facepalm, with Patrick perfectly sporting an expression that screams, “You fucking serious!?” LOVE that you got the laugh at his face at that part, and that you said it was everything. The episode does great with Picard quickly thinking that Q may genuinely be shooting straight on not being involved with the business of the moon, whilst still being skeptical of Q might still be playing the long game. Figured you’d have a similar thought. The moon problem is a big one to such an extent, even Geordi with all his brilliance admits solving it is a pretty tall order. I too really like how the people on the planet impart to Picard that they know he’s doing what he can. A sweet moment. Leading our heroes to reluctantly enlist Q to help. Though he is still contending with discovering how aggravating it is to deal with the perennial human irritations. It is insanely wonderful seeing you and Q in stereo telling Geordi that he can solve the impossible problems. And indeed, Geordi did come up with a good plan. Nice to see Guinan again now that Whoopi’s back from helping Swayze. She dragged Q over the coals, and I live for you living for it. I greatly anticipated your response to LeVar selling, as you said, Geordi being like you in dealing with Q. Two favorite Trek characters for both of us getting good time here, it’s great. Those light creatures wanted to get Q badly. I do recall the old blinding light situation at your last set-up, and when you made the comparison, the recall was instantaneous. Your comparison is an apt one. Data came through saving Q. Sweet how Beverly and Geordi get him back to ship-shape shape lickety-split. Speaking of Beverly, nice how Q provides a rare occasion of the show acknowledging we spent an entire goddamn year without Beverly on this show. Q’s big scene with Picard: It speaks to the writing and John how Q actually breaks our hearts some, and it was amazing seeing you get emotional over that. Leading to his compliment given to Data. This after Data has that terrific line of observing Q achieving in disgrace what Data dreams and yearns for. God, you got me in the heart with the reactions there, Jess. And Q is so done with it, he goes off to die, a benefit being the Enterprise will be left alone. He gets stopped by Corbin Bernsen as, let’s call him LA Law Q. Notice, by the way, that Corbin goes uncredited in this episode, thus preserving his surprise appearance. (YA HEAR THAT, SUPERNATURAL!?!?) Love John and Corbin selling Q and LA Law Q having great sibling/cousin energy such as them being simpatico over shopping at the same store and hating the color of the outfits. Nice window into the continuum’s opinions on Q’s fixation on the Enterprise. Leading to the LA Law Q-ex-machina. Which has good reasoning behind it given historical speculations. For instance, we’re nine decades since the disappearance of Amelia Earhart. Summer of this upcoming year, we’ll be half a century since the disappearance and presumed murder of Jimmy Hoffa. In both cases, speculations and conspiracy theories persist. Magnify that by infinity, and you get why LA Law Q just cuts out the middleman to avoid that by giving Q his powers back to avoid dealing with all of that. Love his big brother sounding “Q!” when Q acts like his old self. Q’s return via mariachi gives me so much life. And he gives Data the gift of laughter, which I adore how you found that so endearing. Love Marina selling Deanna feeling Data’s genuine feelings of mirth. Brent is fantastic in that part. My mom caught the scene one time I had the episode on, she really liked it too. Our heroes then find out that Q, with his powers returned, fixed the whole moon problem faster than Ahsoka cut down the First Brother with her Seven Samurai move on Seatos, which admittedly isn’t as fast as how quickly she cut down the Eleventh Brother on that farming planet shortly after the rise of the Galactic Empire. Geordi would have done it eventually though; he would have solved the situation and saved the day. And it is fantastic how you beat Q by one second on telling Picard not to bet on there being a residue of humanity in him. Again, a most perfect episode and reaction to leave things on before break. I so adored this reaction, and to quote Q himself, you have my everlasting gratitude. Until next time, Jess.

Ryan
>>156201640

Cobra Kai just had an especially unforgivable spoiler guest credit, with the reveal coming right after what would have been a perfectly good unexpected villain twist on its own so we especially wouldn't have seen it coming.

Josef Schiltz

Ben was last seen in the generator room. Fangs for the memory.

Ryan

What was that you were saying about us being due for a comedy episode? And this hits especially hard for starting with such a grim situation that Q is simply thrown into the middle of. The writers were clearly thinking they'd reached the limit of what they could do with just the base idea of the character and would need to come up with something new, and reducing him down to human is a marvelous idea that they clearly have a blast doing everything they can think of with while they have it. Starting off with perhaps the most legendary Star Trek meme of them all, the Picard face palm. Perfect reaction to that one. With Fluttershy not around yet, it falls to Data to teach Q about the magic of friendship, and John and Brent turn out to have a great chemistry that easily carries the whole thing. We also get the bonus of an unusually vicious Guinan, Whoopi clearly relishing the chance to go so against type and a second away from "Friends? I thought he said we were the enemy." And it's now very hard to watch Q slacking off in engineering without saying "Pay attention before the planes crash!" Then in come the Calamarain count to four, Calamarain then three more, and John gets to put on a genuinely effective dramatic performance in the middle of all the lunacy, fully showing why Q is worth keeping around as long as he has been. It culminates with a surprise appearance by Corbin Bernson, fresh from hanging out with Pulaski on LA Law. Time hasn't exactly been kind to the show's reputation (I remember one DVD review saying "Of all the legal procedurals that have ever been made, this show is certainly one of them"), but I've been assured by people who were more sentient than me at the time that it was one of the biggest things on TV and this would have gotten huge gasps of delight. One odd sidenote, on my first time watching through Trek, I was absolutely sure he was Denis Leary, thanks to resembling him just enough at the same time that his imitation of De Lancie felt exactly like a typical Leary performance. He's certainly a lot of fun in the brief time we get him, walking right up to the line of where it would get annoying without crossing over, plus some physical bits I'd guess were not in the script to give the impression this Q has never taken human form before. It's the perfect way to end a hugely beloved episode, and one of the most pure fun times you can have with this franchise.

Thomas Corp
>>156203823

The set-up is great how we have a rather perilous dramatic Trek plot, then comes in Q, naked as the day he’s... er, born, I guess, thus throwing everything in the dryer set to tumble, and it’s amazing. You can tell the writers realized they needed to change a gear or two with Q, lest he became prosaic. Reducing him to humanity is beyond sublime with ample ground to cover the myriad of ways you can tackle the topic. And we are gifted with the magnificent Picard facepalm that is so goddamn useful for multiple situations. John and Brent’s chemistry was outstanding. Whoopi was channeling the energy from that scene which is one of several scenes of traumatic Disney Villain deaths that even as a kid always made me wonder if Disney was never concerned about that. The worst one still being Tarzan, which as a kid, I yelled, “What the HELL, movie!?” I’m more reminded of the business with the planes when Q mentions having family trouble, but yeah, that plotline does spring to mind here. Said plotline is another thing that shows how amazing an actor John is, and why he kept coming back in Star Trek, because if he’s that good, you take advantage of the talent. As I was about a year away from being born by the time of this episode airing, couldn’t tell you the response Corbin’s guest spot had, though from the accounts I’ve heard, the guest appearance was a surprise and a big deal, sort of like how delightfully jarring it was to have Werner Herzog and Bill Burr on The Mandalorian, then of course, the Jack Black, Lizzo, and Christopher Lloyd episode. Haven’t seen LA Law myself, and it’s never on tv. I am curious, and I do see you can stream it on Disney+. The mistaking Corbin for Denis makes sense. They look enough alike, plus, like you said, his imitation of John as Q does feel like the energy Denis would have. Corbin had fun here, and I too take the physical bits as if to say LA Law Q has never taken human form, and it perfectly conveys LA Law Q’s disgust of something like, “God, you picked THIS lifeform? How does anybody stand it?” I always lose it with Q and the mariachi band, particularly as that is me whenever you have new Star Wars stuff with the Emperor, particularly if Ian is back. One thing that’s easy to miss about it the first-time round is Worf hanging and shaking his head with a pure “Goddamn it.” energy. I also love Q giving everyone cigars.

Ryan
>>156203823

The big thing that's kept me from checking out LA Law is that a major character throughout its entire run is a mentally disabled messenger boy played by the bad guy from Darkman. There's just no way that hasn't aged like nitroglycerin.

Thomas Corp
>>156203823

Yeah, it would not surprise me if that has aged like nitroglycerin milk about as badly as Ace Ventura has. I hear you, there. At minimum, I would hope it’s not as horrific as that Music film by Sia. Christ, that thing made Simple Jack look tame.

Josef Schiltz
>>156201640

Thomas. You may have heard of the UK's own aviatrix, Amy Johnson, who disappeared, after bailing out of her plane over the Thames Estuary on January 5th 1941. As with Amelia, her location remains unknown. Her aircraft crashed into the Thames estuary. Because her body was never recovered, the precise cause of her death—drowning, hypothermia or being pulled into moving propellers—is unknown, and has been a subject of discussion since the possibility of friendly fire was raised in 1999.

Thomas Corp
>>156201640

Heard about that, though I’m not as well read about it as other historical events or tidbits. Furthers my point of we still talk and debate about that so long after it happened, and this is dealing within the constraints of human time which is quite finite in the grand scheme of things. The continuum has endless time, not to mention how they can experience time non-linearly, and it would undoubtedly exacerbate speculative debates. Hence you feel LA Law Q’s train of thought of, “It’s going to become known that Q committed a selfless act in the end. Everyone’s going to have their flowcharts trying to come up with their own answers as to why he did that from now until the end of time. The hell with that! Q, you got your powers back! Now stay out of trouble!”

Geordie Joe

It's nice to finish on a mostly light-hearted and somewhat comedic episode before your break. Q trying to convince the Enterprise crew that he had lost his powers and had become a mortal human was kind of like The Master trying to convince The Doctor that he came to rescue him from The Death Zone. No one believed either of them until they seen some irrefutable evidence. It's just a shame that we didn't get to see Worf knocking out Q just like when The Brigadier knocked out The Master. "Nice to see you again." Anyway, I hope you enjoy your break Jess and we'll see you when you return. Take care.

Thomas Corp
>>156236438

It does have the similar energy to the Master not being believed of his intentions by the Doctor. Love how Riker notes when Q asks if they think he would humiliate himself, that such a long game would wash if it served Q’s purposes. Likewise, I always like how Picard proceeds with the thought of Q probably being truthful about being blameless about the moon, yet there is still uncertainty about his honesty about being powerless. And past the point, Q stops trying to argue about it, calling it the joke of the universe. That would have been great seeing Worf knock Q out just as the Brig knocked out the Master. That we don’t get that does get balanced out by Picard, with some satisfaction, giving Worf the order to throw Q in the brig, which Worf replies he would be delighted to do so, and he sounds it.

Josef Schiltz
>>156201640

Q: "One day, I shall come back. Yes, one day! Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your . . " First Doctor: "Er. Excuse me dear boy. You appear to be using one of mine? Now, be off, there's a good fellow and (dismissive hand) do take the Mariachi band with you. It's giving me a splitting headache!" Susan: "Oh, Grandfather. I was rather enjoying them. Now, how did we get here? I was in London at the reopening of Selfridges!" (drops shopping)

Paul Teviotdale

As I don’t know how to send msgs on here the new series on Netflix Black doves has Andrew Buchan from broadchuch in it …. I have a vague memory that you liked him