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Star Trek: TNG 3x15 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Ian Smith

City on the edge of Forever is my favourite story of TOS. Imo,Yesterday's Enterprise takes the same honour for TNG. Considering that the writing of the episode was (from all accounts) something of a rush job, the final result is absolutely faultless. It's so easy to find things to say about a poor episode, which is why I have so little to write about the storyline for this one! It doesn't put a foot wrong. All the plot elements come together so well; and Denise Crosby - in just one story she becomes legendary :)

Thomas Corp

Here we come to it: My favorite Tasha episode. And just so lovely to see Denise Crosby as Tasha again. Denise herself has named this her favorite episode of the show, saying, “It was a fantastic script, and it really took me by surprise, and I didn’t see it coming!” And she has admitted that she recognizes and appreciates the irony of the episode would not exist if she didn’t ask to get killed off. This is another of the chapter and verse episodes for me, which I said I had at least seven. Mulling it over when you were on break, I realize it’s up to ten, technically twelve, depending on if two-parters are counted as separate episodes. Just seeing the thumbnail for this reaction alone made me say, “Oh, God... Well... This bodes poorly for my emotions.” Then you said you were hoping for a pick me up, given the troubled time you had when you filmed, which I know when that was given your outfit selection matching certain videos, and I go, “...SHIT.” We’re both crying on this one. Ah. Fuck it. Tis the season. Let’s do it. And in the end, you are given such, as you say, a stunning episode. One that is nice and lean. That scream when you saw Tasha was everything. Me, I broke down sobbing, this time especially. God does that warm my heart, Jess, hearing you call it a gift to be able to see Tasha again. You say you somewhat hoped Denise would be listed in the main cast. That would have been great, alas, no, though her special guest star credit is nice. Guinan senses something’s up. Because of course something’s up. Among other things, Tasha’s supposed to be dead. Dead as a doornail. Though l don’t know what is particularly dead about a doornail. l wouldn’t think that a doornail was the deadest piece of iron mongery in the trade. Why not say, dead as a doorknob, or doorknocker? Nail, knob, or knocker, Tasha’s gone and there’s an end to it. And yet here she is, alive and well. Hence the mystery. No Worf, who likely is dead, given his established backstory, though he does get the nice scene with the prune juice. Also, no Deanna, which if the war is bad enough for the Federation to be as desperate as they are, it would make sense that there’s little to no concern for combat fatigue, hence Deanna’s absence. You raise the excellent point of having faith that things will be explained. And the writers exhibit great trust in our intelligence by allowing the plot to elucidate itself in a very steady and organic manner. The guest stars are great. Both Tricia O’Neill and Christopher McDonald. The latter, I expected you’d recognize. Quite the treat seeing Christopher playing someone who’s not a total asshole. Shame he never does get a chance to say, “Those Romulans mess with us, they’re in big trouble because I eat pieces of shit like them for breakfast.” His usual typecasting of complete smarmy jackasses does initially make you wary of the love story. Made me wary, and say, “Slow your roll there a bit, Goose McKenzie. Just a smidge.” On top of, yes, I know you don’t often care for the quick love stories, but it ends up a rather sweet one, the two characters have a good connection, and as you say, it’s nice to see Tasha have some happiness in that regard. Man, does it get you when she talks to Data about that. Love the subtle differences with the crew compared to how they normally are. Save for Geordi, as he remains much the same. He’s that pure a soul. Completely agree with how you expressed love for the Picard and Guinan scenes. Particularly that thing of although what Guinan says sounds impossible, not to mention how it is something Picard is not agreeable to, he still gives her words serious consideration and ultimately chooses to believe her. The entire dilemma feels very much like a trolley problem by way of Kobayashi Maru. One slight thing is that the events of Undiscovered Country which came out more than a year after this episode, does somewhat contradict one or two things here, but that’s easily reconcilable. History has done a good (for want of a better word) job with helping with that. Yeah, you and I have the similar reaction when Whoopi just sells Guinan’s line where she tells Tasha that the two of them were never meant to know each other, at least as far as she can tell. Even when watching this time, I know the line is coming, and it still gets me bad. You hit the nail on the head, Jess, with the root cause of the episode’s existence. To give Tasha a more satisfactory final bow. Like you said, the initial death does in fact work in its own way, rather perfunctory and hollow though it is. Thus, in this timeline Tasha decides that if she is marked to die, she’d like to have some say and agency in that. Denise is BEYOND PERFECT in her performance in her scene with Picard. How she lays it out that she knows she’s not going to survive, but if she’s meant to face the raven, so to speak, she’d rather do it on her own terms, with a purpose. And as you perfectly say, we take a lot of pride in Tasha for that decision. And yeah, it does sound weird, saying you take pride in something like that, but we do, I feel Picard does too, given how Patrick sells the moment when he agrees to Tasha’s request. Everything about your reaction to that scene exceeded all expectations, Jess, and it made me sob something fierce, as does you expressing the love for our dear Tasha. And the alternate crew shows their bravery facing certain death. Actual death in Riker’s case, loved your reaction to that. Christ, I love Picard’s line, “That’ll be the day.” And in the end, Tasha, Castillo, and the others get the ship through, and normality has resumed. Ending with the scene of Guinan asking Geordi about Tasha, which I KNEW that would get you. Again, you called this episode a gift. It was, and it is now accompanied by the beautiful gift that is your immensely outstanding reaction, Jess, I thank you so, so very much for it.

Thomas Corp
>>158969650

I keep saying the Star Trek shows are like M*A*S*H when it comes to ranking favorite episodes. By that I mean when ranking M*A*S*H episodes, I can’t do it in the conventional sense of top ten; instead, I rank by favorite episodes per character. Star Trek’s a similar thing of say favorite Beverly episode, favorite Worf episode, etc. As mentioned, this one’s my favorite Tasha episode. And it is one that if I could force myself to rank a top ten, this would be top five of Next Gen easy. Like you said, everything comes together so perfectly. And yes, Denise becomes legendary.

Ryan

Well, this isn't exactly what I'd call an ideal episode after you've had a hard day, but the surprise appearance of Tasha certainly makes up for it. After all, humans have a way of turning up where you least expect them. As Ian mentioned, the writing process was a bit of a mess, as evidenced by the writing credit filling the whole screen (and besides Ron Moore we also have Ira Steven Behr, who would go on to create Deep Space Nine). And one thing that's always struck me is there was nothing special about the episode's placement, either with its place in the season or any kind of anniversary for the franchise. Which makes them pulling out all the stops like this come out of nowhere and hit you even more. And it's especially clever to use Guinan as our identification figure, but not to the point that she's exactly like us and knows everything about what the galaxy is supposed to be like, which adds a ton to the moral conundrum. The set and costume people really went all out here, filling the space with a bunch of subtle differences that no special attention is put on, but give it incredible rewatch value. I kind of wish they'd also given us an altered opening credits, though from what I've heard from shows like Buffy that tried to do it, that costs way more than you might think and this one was probably really pushing the budget as it was. Patrick Stewart is really impressive in just slightly altering his usual performance, coming off more like his Gurney Halleck, and I wonder if his knowing this was the kind of thing his father went through also affected it. And it's always fun to see a heavily typecast actor in a different role before they picked it up, with the greatest comedy villain actor who ever lived Christopher MacDonald playing a totally nice and decent guy (and with hair that has me thinking he could have been a good Superman). With his ending here, it's hard to believe he'll later be saying "Screw our country, I wanna live!" But of course the biggest deal is Denise Crosby, in a very deliberate response to the fans' displeasure at Tasha's death, and especially the way it happened. And given that she left the show due to being dissatisfied at only getting dry exposition, it's pretty neat to see this Tasha retreats to that kind of talk to avoid dealing with her emotions, but eventually lets her walls down. It's hard to imagine a more meaningful way to go than this, averting a decades-long war by sacrificing your lives to prove the best of humanity's honor, and from what I understand this did indeed get a lot of people back on board with the show. Definitely a series highlight, and it's always a joy to see people experience it.

Ryan
>>158970870

I'd worry most of all that MacDonald would send someone onto a diet pill addiction. I really appreciate that the script doesn't bother to explain why Worf and Troi aren't there, and just trusts that we'll get it so it can stay focused on the parts that really matter.

Thomas Corp
>>158973046

Considering some of my ideas of a pick me up, I’m not one to talk, but yeah, this episode is rather contrary to the usual meaning of the conventional definition. Seeing Tasha again does get the emotions going. Now you mention it, yeah, there’s nothing really special about when this episode is in the season, they just pulled out every stop and hit you with it all when one probably did not expect it. That’s a good point of Guinan being our identification figure, yet she has just about as much answer and explanation as we do. I honestly loved the aesthetics of the alternate bridge, the lighting especially I love. Haven’t heard about Patrick drawing inspiration from his father’s experiences for this episode. If he did, I wonder if he was conscious of it. The idea makes sense. Great fun to see Christopher pre-typecasting. Good description, “greatest comedy villain actor who ever lived”. I think he has done the voice of Superman at least once, in addition to he was the voice of Jor-El. He does have the voice and look for Superman. And fittingly enough, there’s the Superman connection in the film with the line you referenced that I instantly recognized. Just as I instantly recognized your reference on the other comment about the fear of his JUICE commercials. Certainly a valid fear and concern, haha. YEESH! That is a neat reversal of Denise having been frustrated by Tasha being saddled with the dry exposition when here, this variant of Tasha defaults to that to guard her emotions. Denise shines so brightly here. I honestly love how they don’t ignore Tasha’s past death. They bring the topic to the forefront by fully admitting that it was as abrupt and empty as it was. If you’re going out, averting a decades-long war by sacrificing your lives to prove the best of humanity’s honor, hard to think of a way to top that one in any real meaningful sense. This episode is one that’s always amazing to see people discover and experience it.

Geordie Joe

"Let's make sure history never forgets the name Enterprise." One of my favourite Picard quotes from TNG. Well technically it was an alternate timeline Picard who said it but that's a minor technicality that I'm happy to overlook. I agree this episode does fly by when watching it. Even after the countless times I've rewatched it over the years, it feels like the runtime is half that of a normal TNG episode. I think that's down to the quality writing, fast paced action and not a second of screen time being wasted. The entire plot of this episode could've easily been adapted into a feature length TNG film. The death offered to Tasha in this episode is far more honourable than the one she got in Skin of Evil. Fighting in a hopeless battle, preventing a war and saving billions of lives is better than death by a walking puddle of tar. It's probably a good thing Guinan didn't know the exact details of how Tasha died. "You got randomly taken out by a humanoid puddle of tar while trying to walk to a crashed shuttlecraft. No, I'm not joking." I wish we got to see more of Captain Garrett. She gives off strong Captain Janeway vibes for me, particularly when she's confronted by Doctor Crusher while trying to leave sickbay early. "Doctor, my ship and my crew need me now. 24 hours might as well be 24 years" I can easily imagine Janeway saying something like that to the EMH on Voyager, in fact she probably did at some point. There is a minor continuity error right at the very end of this episode. Geordi is still wearing his alternate timeline Starfleet uniform when he's talking to Guinan in Ten Forward about Tasha Yar, despite the changes to the timeline being reverted back to normal. You can clearly see the taller collar and the black sleeves.

Thomas Corp
>>159005223

That line is one of many superb Picard lines, regardless of timeline. I wouldn’t have said no to this episode being a two-parter or a feature length film, especially as we’d get more of Tasha. What we get is so damn good, so it’s not even a complaint. Guinan imparting to Tasha the exact manner of her alternate counterpart’s death would be a tougher sell than trying to tell Demi Moore that Patrick Swayze is trying to warn her that she’s in danger. You could make a sketch out of Guinan describing how Armus killed Tasha and how the crew finds it hard to believe. Captain Garrett does feel like a proto-Janeway, that scene with her and Beverly especially. Wouldn’t surprise me if Janeway ever had a line like the one Garrett had. Never have caught the continuity error with Geordi’s uniform. I know of it as I’ve heard people mention it, but I never quite notice it. I’m caught up more in the emotion of the scene anyway, so even if I ever do notice, the scene is powerful enough to let such a thing slide.

Geordie Joe
>>159005223

I only noticed Geordi’s uniform blunder after a few rewatches but I'm a bit of a nerd when it comes to Star Trek uniforms, so I can understand why most viewers would miss it. The alternate timeline uniforms are very similar to the standard ones. There are only a few subtle differences here and there like the black cuffs and raised collar. Even the people making the show couldn't tell the difference between them apparently.