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Thomas Corp

Feels interesting timing with the particularly sad Invincible episode that I saw very shortly before news broke that the legendary Gene Hackman has died, as has his wife and dog. Among his many famous roles, was Lex Luthor, the greatest criminal mind of the century. I recall, Jess, you had particular fondness for Gene as old Lexie. Presently, I’m envisioning his variant of Lex in this show, and if nothing else, it’s helping stave off the tears some. I was most sorry to hear of the news, and this on the heels of the news of the sudden death of Michelle Trachtenberg. This week is not a good one. Leaves a man in a very melancholic mood. Now to the episode itself. They had some fun with the title this episode, loved your delightful response to it. Whilst it feels wrong to say the word “glad” in this scenario, I am glad that the show provided a showcase of people being collateral damage in these fights and moments of destruction, and how it ties into the season’s themes of grey areas. Here shown through Scott losing his sister and niece. Similar response we had with the opening flashback. Seeing the penny drop for you was quite something. Like you said, it does read like a garden variety villain origin, and it was presented so well. You can tell that the man needed help, and Mark, Eve, and the others tried their best to talk him down, which was a valiant effort. Well, Shapesmith tried fighting more, but generally, they tried to offer help. It does break the heart how Scott will not hear it, and continues to fight for his goals of revenge, and to expose to the world the truth, as he sees it, for he knows that it is what people want. It is the way of the world: people seek the truth. I concede that this may have been true in our younger years. Unfortunately for Scott, this is less and less true as the years go by. These days, people are much more preoccupied with celebrity weddings and videos of cats. But complicated issues, issues that matter they take too much focus. They take too much time away from the texting and the thousands of channels on the satellite dish. But again, Scott will not hear that, and he persisted. We both, and I imagine most everyone predicted that Scott would cause damage or harm. We likewise commented that it’s a sick thing to do to use your baby as bait. That scene where he kills his wife and baby is presently standing out as one of the most haunting scenes of the show thus far. We had similar, near quiet responses. You gasped some. Me, I took it in, just let out a slow breath. You would think we’d start to become desensitized by this show past a certain point, and this one packed a punch. You spoke well of the wound being too deep and the guilt and trauma were too overwhelming that it’s easier for Scott to condemn Mark as the scapegoat. One highlight of the plotline was showing that Donald was helping Mark out. Everything you had to say on Scott’s plotline was very well spoken, Jess. You also spoke well about the questions that Oliver has about his and Mark’s dad. Liked your observation that there are the occasions when Omni-Man does “embrace the pillow”, as you put it. It’s a very complicated dilemma, one, like you said, that Mark doesn’t have the answer to. The scenes with Paul and Debbie are very sweet. And I so badly want to let the sweetness overwhelm. Alas, Cliff’s one infamous character will NOT leave my mind during those scenes. Chrissake, I hope my fear is unfounded. I second your statement about how Debbie is the most remarkable in this show. She is. Cecil may be my favorite, and yet, still, Debbie is the most remarkable. We both had the reactions to William being great at bowling. Honestly, just lovely that Mark and Amber had the brief talk and express that they’re happy for each other. I laughed so hard how you called the line about Amber having a type. A good pick me up it was. Loved Rudy creating the belt; we both had some tears there. The Rex/Rae scenes are becoming the loveliest things. You get why Rae is wanting to quit. Shame that Rex is less than fond of the idea. This despite the fact that as Rae points out, Rex has always talked about quitting, and going places, maybe even visit other countries. What countries specifically, knowing Rex, he’d probably say Wyoming, and you have to tell him that Wyoming’s not a country; he don’t know where Wyoming is. And we think we got problems. To his credit, Rex is man enough to let Rae know he is supportive of her choice. Bringing us to the big surprise at the end that was not a surprise to you because of the uncouth comments on the internet. To which I respond, LOUDLY and for the record: I didn’t say anything!! I was cool!! And to touch on how you said that people said that the subtitles gave it away. I watch with subtitles all the time, and the subtitles that I had on did NOT say it was Angstrom. The end credits did spoil the shit out of that, and I resolved to not say anything, particularly as one question I have still has not been fully answered. The last shot though proves we should have an interesting situation on the horizon. No idea what’s to come on that, but I do know an upcoming cast member and a vague idea of who said cast member is playing, so I think I know something that’s coming. And just like the Angstrom situation, I promise that mum is the word. You have my word Jess. And as to the stuff and thangs of the upcoming video, I’m greatly anticipating that, and what everybody picks. Until then, we have the last two episodes of the season first, which if this episode is any indication, things are going to get emotional. Either way, this reaction was very excellent, Jess, thank you.

Ryan

I've been completely in the bag for Aaron Paul ever since the first episode of Breaking Bad, where he took what seemed like a total throwaway character and made him something instantly engaging and sometimes drawing your attention much more than Walt (and indeed the crew confirmed that they were going to kill him at the end of the first season, but then the WGA strike gave them more time to think and they realized there was no way they could get rid of that performance). And it's been amazing to see him not content at all to rest on that role and continue to challenge himself with new kinds of characters. So I was extremely happy to realize this episode was going to more or less treat him as the main character, and even when he does some of that very Jesse Pinkman-esque emotional screaming, he still manages to make it distinct to this new guy. I once again have doubts we'll see him again in what little is left of this season, but I can't wait for his inevitable return down the line. I even realized upon hitting the end that I'd never once realized where Cecil was, unlike the last few episodes. Oh, how my stomach dropped upon recognizing those shots from the end of Season 1 and realizing what was about to happen, just like the Penguin episode that starts by flashing back to the dam's destruction. There's an obvious Batman v. Superman inspiration here, but thankfully done a million times better. The place where stories like this tend to fall apart is when the writer finds it too hard to keep the villain protagonist's motivation going, so instead they just act in any way that will make them look bad no matter how little sense it makes with what they actually want (my go-to example for this is Stanley Tucci in The Terminal). But here, Scott is always perfectly sensible with what got him started on this road, and the episode doesn't even present him as being wrong in his feelings, with the most any of the heroes say against him being that he "needs help." I'd even say that just in this episode, they did a better job with a complete arc for this character than Angstrom Levy got all last season. My one quibble is that his wife feels a little flat in comparison despite going for the big guns in casting Kate Mara, but that's all made up in the ending. After as far as the show has already gone, it's now very hard to pull out something genuinely shocking, but this did it, and it'll be very interesting to see how comfortable the crew is to do more comedy material in the future, knowing we'll also have that image in the back of our minds. As for the ending after that, well, I did recognize Sterling K. Brown's voice the first time so that wasn't a surprise, and I still don't get how scared we're supposed to be of him, with the army of Marks he's inexplicably convinced to work with him (and see above because boy is this a big case of someone going against their prior motivation) seemingly just there because otherwise we'd all just be saying "Oh hey, it's the guy whose ass Mark kicked already, guess he'll have to do it again, maybe." By the way, if anyone hasn't checked out his new show Paradise, get on that. And don't look up a thing about it before you do.

Thomas Corp

Aaron did make a solid first impression as Jesse. Always like the story how the writer’s strike of the time saved Jesse from getting killed. And it is nice to see Aaron seek out meaty roles like this one. The Jesse Pinkman sounding screaming largely didn’t stand out late last night, and instead was more prominent when just hearing the audio in the full reaction. I also had to restrain myself some with the Breaking Bad references in the comments. One quip I almost made was that they wanted to name his sister Jane, but decided against it as it would be too on the nose. We probably will see Scott again, when that happens remains to be seen. I still have not seen the Battinson film, so I don’t know the Penguin comparison. I DID also think of this feeling like a MUCH BETTER version of what Batman v Superman was trying to do. Good go-to with Stanley Tucci in The Terminal with the manner of how these types of stories can fall apart. Here, yeah, Scott is fairly focused on his goals and largely sticks to that. And the heroes don’t dispute his feelings and instead simply try to talk him down so that he can get help. Kate Mara is a bit shortchanged, but maybe she just wanted to be in the show, slightly thin writing though her character gets, yes. We are at the point where we think we’re desensitized some with this show, and they sucker punch you with the haunting imagery. I’m curious with Cecil being absent as of late, how much production for this season overlapped with Fallout, and if that is why we have not seen much of him these past few episodes. The episode is strong enough that you don’t really notice it this time round. As I said, Sterling as Angstrom was not unfamiliar. The credits just gave it away. Contrary to what people told Jess, at least for me, the subtitles did NOT say who spoke at the end, so the credits were unkind with the spoiling if this episode was supposed to be the big wham shot. Good note on Angstrom falling into the Tucci trap of it all. One thing I liked about Michael Keaton as Ray Kroc that Mark Kermode spoke about in his review, was how the portrayal of Kroc wasn’t just a switch flipped and suddenly he just acts in any way that will make him look bad no matter how little sense it makes with what he actually wants. Rather, that it had a natural progression with the arc and the things that made him likeable at first are the same things that make him unlikable by the end. The army of Marks, I’m presently curious as to what Angstrom’s sales pitch was, and I’m just waiting to see how that plays out. As to Paradise, I did look it up only to ascertain what the show was; didn’t read anything. Saw the poster, recognized the show from the advertisements, and said, “Oh, that show.” Haven’t seen any of it. Based on the adverts, it sounds very good.

Ryan

I came to Buffy shortly after it ended, at a time when the Internet was full of Dawn Summers getting the full Wesley/Adric treatment as the tagalong kid who everyone hated, so I was quite surprised when I finally got to her introduction in Season 5 and found Michelle Trachtenberg to be an instantly charming addition who fit perfectly with all the others (without spoilers, the character's introduction is EXTREMELY jarring and weird, but that's entirely on purpose and she was so fun in the meantime that I didn't mind waiting for answers). And it was always a joy to see her pop up afterwards, even strongly against type as a manipulative monster in Gossip Girl. And Gene Hackman is perhaps the least appropriately named person in history, just look at how when one of his movies popped up on MST3K, they felt the need to single him out among the likes of Gregory Peck and Richard Crenna with a running gag of "He's good in everything." And I respect so much that while still having a strong career, he chose to step away from it all and spend the rest of his life doing whatever made him happy. I'm imagining him being greeted by Christopher, Margot, and Ned with a simultaneous "You diseased maniac!" This got me to check when the new Daredevil is starting, and holy crap it's a lot sooner than I was thinking. I'm still having a hard time believing it's real, and that they were able to make it properly after the first crew totally fucked it up. As Vincent would also say, though not with his own voice, why spend your life making someone else's dreams?

Ryan

I'm a bit impressed they didn't cast Krysten Ritter as his wife, even though she looks a lot like her. Paradise is by Dan Fogelman, who loves to end his first episodes with a giant twist that completely changes your whole idea of the kind of show you thought you were getting, stuff like This Is Us, Galavant, and Pitch. And this is easily his best so far, making me immediately go through the whole episode again to find all the clues I missed.

Thomas Corp

As someone who is behind on all things Buffy, and I probably should get on that, (despite the Joss Whedon of it all, anymore,) I do consistently hear so much Wesley and/or Adric shit sent Dawn’s way, and I don’t fully understand it, particularly as everything I’ve seen Michelle in, she was good. She had a strong guest starring role in Criminal Minds twelve years ago; that one made an impression. Maybe the writing’s not the best with Dawn, and I see you note her introduction is jarring. But I don’t foresee me having the greatest issue with Dawn if I ever see those shows, and I’m down to see Michelle be good in that. Gene was one of the best as evidenced how you say the MST3K guys singled him out as “He’s good in everything.”, which he was. It’s like how when the Honest Trailer guys covered Galaxy Quest, when they got to the starring jokes, they said for Alan, “No joke here, just a hardcore “Thank You” to Alan Rickman.” I say the same for Gene Hackman. Shared thing of having mad respect for his choice to just retire, step away from it all, and just spent the rest of his life doing whatever made him happy. Much though I missed seeing him in new movies, the respect for his decision was strong. My mom talked about how seeing The French Connection in the theater was such a phenomenal experience, and she cites that as probably her favorite of his work; a soft spot for him in The Birdcage as well. My own pick for favorite role of his is Little Bill, and my mom isn’t sure if she’s seen Unforgiven, and she’s strongly considering seeing it, wary of the intensity and violence though she is. ...Then again, she has seen and quite likes The Quick and the Dead, Dad really liked that one too. I would put on Mississippi Burning, but I don’t think I have the strength for that one for a little while. I can see Christopher, Margot, and Ned having that greeting to Gene in Heaven. And yeah, Daredevil is right around the corner. I am excited to see the new season with Jess and everybody else.

Ryan

Another big issue was that Dawn was originally conceived as being a pre-teen, but everyone was so impressed with the 15 year old Michelle that they adjusted it for her. Except there wasn’t any time to edit the season’s first few scripts, which meant that our first impression of her for a whole month was that she was bizarrely childish, and that takes a while to stop seeing.