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Andor 2x09 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

I only signed up yesterday and I was worried I had binged too many episodes that I broke the website. Sorry guys, my bad.

Saltire

As I said in another reaction, I would have liked more contact between Bail and Mon as we get to this stage; perhaps its one of the things that had to get cut as the show got truncated. He's right though, and Mon mentions this from him later in Rebels (and quite soon in this timeline), when Thrawn decimates our Ghost Crew's Phoenix Squadron - they just aren't ready yet. He has everything in place now, Obi-Wan is with Luke, Leia is now coming on the scene, he with help from Ahsoka has worked with different rebel cells growing their numbers over the years, and its almost time to unify, as he also brings friendly senators around; but they can't show their hand yet, they'd get obliterated. Mon though, has to call this out and draw her line in the sand, and we see that as she crushes the listening device. No more is she going to be a puppet, its time to speak up and lead the resistance to this. As a sidenote, I love the 70's style headphones and dials around the imperial fella tracking the devices; one thing Rebels the show did very well was have that 70's feeling of building to A New Hope. This is still more modern in look and feel to that, and it still doesn't have the fantastical element I love in Star Wars, but still, these are nice touches when they do show matching aesthetics to the original 1977 film. Another solid aesthetic is shown soon after Mon learns Erskin is Luthen's agent, and she goes back to her senate offices. The background looks a lot more like the Coruscant we see in the prequels. The antechamber leading into the senate, has had a facelift; less decorative than we see in the animations. Perhaps this reflects a move to a more imperial style. Mon does say if I remember, that senate apartements are pretty standardised. Was that senator right after a Tarlafar, like we have seen in Solo (where they were first shown), Bad Batch and Acolyte? I love these guys! Andor has been slightly better with their alien races in the second season I have to say. Star Wars has always done the "strong female" characters justice. We have seen it over the decades with Leia, Ahsoka, Hera, Dedra here and several others. Some may also include Jyn Erso from Rogue One, Bo-Katan more recently or Rey in the sequels. We have had Mon Mothma be the leader of the Rebel Alliance since 1983, and bit by bit we have seen her influence spread in the various media. However, her arc in this show has truly solidified her in the top tier of Star Wars characters with her oratory, courage, grace and dignity. Parts of the Rebellion may have been started by some less than desirable people like Luthen and Saw; but its Mon Mothma and Bail Organa who are the ones who can bring it all together with hope of a better world and an escape from this tyranny. Her and Bail are the people who can bring in the heroes, the Hera's, Wedge's, Rex's, Luke's, Leia's, R2-D2's and C-3P0's, who will all in their own way big and small, restore this Republic. And on the way Mon and Bail can inspire the more flawed and doubtful individuals - the Cassian Andor's and mighty Vel's - to play signficant parts to now spit in the face of the Emperor, and not just his food... I'm sold on the guy playing Bail btw, you can feel the weight on his shoulder's now he's one of the few left in the senate who won't bend the knee. No wonder the Emperor dissolves the senate soon and puts the Moffs in charge of systems and sectors, but that will bring problems of its own, especially as the Rebel Alliance grows and grows. A nice brief scene with Cassian and Mon, where we speak in the apartment and she asks if he knew this place, and Cassian said he lived here for a while. She's getting a taster of the world these people have been in, and the risks they have taken, to ensure it reaches this stage and "to make it worth it". I said I'd speak of Rebels for this episode, and I will now. I feel its a shame, a missed opportunity, as Mon leaves Cassian's care, to not see even the briefest of scenes with Gold Squadron and Mon's speech on The Ghost, with Hera, Erskin, Captain Vander, Zeb, Chopper and young Ezra with her - especially as the Ghorman massacre was brought up in that show as a way to get Mon out of the senate and form the Rebel Alliance; and we see parts of her speech in the opening of Secret Cargo in Rebels from here. Of course they may not have gotten Mary Elizabeth Winstead in all that makeup just to have her sit there listening to Mon; but it would have been nice to tie in with that. Perhaps those characters "from that cartoon" as Tony Gilroy would have it, would make the scene look less serious than what he's aiming for; and that's always been an issue for me with this series. Yes I'm glad we have it, but I sometimes feel we do need to look up and see a TIE or an X-Wing flying overhead, to remind us this is in the same universe as Asajj Ventress, Grogu and Babu Frik. Its to the series strength that this could be transferred to the more serious stories in Star Trek, The Expanse, Babylon 5 etc; but it can also be a slight weakness that it doesn't necessarily feel like the Star Wars I grew up with (and I'm the same age as the franchise itself) and love to this day. Sorry just had to get that off my chest; its not just a problem here, but within other SW media too that we don't have tie-in's more. My favourite arc of this season, but not without its faults.

Thomas Corp
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I’ll take more Mon and Bail scenes in anything. Throw the Emperor into the mix, and it’ll be better with Ian, Genevieve, and Jimmy/Benjamin killing it with the acting. Still like how we got a little of Ian and Jimmy sharing screentime and dialogue in Attack of the Clones. One would imagine that there was more Mon and Bail scenes planned that got cut. You side with both of them here. Bail is right that although things are coming together, the Rebellion just isn’t fully ready yet, as Thrawn will wonderfully demonstrate. By the same token, Ghorman, what we saw, and undoubtedly things that got worse when Tarkin came to play, (my headcanon is that he’s involved in this new Ghorman massacre, we just do not get to see it in the show,) it’s a line crossed too far, and Mon needs to make the stand. The seventies aesthetic does provide great imagery, and has the great Pakula feel to it. Pakula, whose influence is strongly felt in Gilroy’s work, here fitting in very well with the overall le Carré feel to this. The look of Coruscant does have that updated look with that Imperial flavor. Wookieepedia is saying no on the Tarlafar, though it could be updated. Yes, despite the fucking morons complaining about “all the women since Disney took over”, the franchise has always excelled with the strong representation. This show being no different by introducing, among others, Dedra, Maarva, Kleya, and Vel. Mon Mothma, after forty-two years, (thirty since my introduction to the franchise, and my first seeing her,) really cements, permanently, that what you said of her position of being in the top tier of Star Wars characters. The Rebellion all started with her, Bail, and Padmé, along with the other senators in their corner. Men like Luthen and Saw laid a lot of groundwork for the less than savory aspects of the Rebellion. It is those like Mon and Bail that unite all those wonderful heroes to fight against the Emperor. LOVED Mon’s speech. As I mentioned previous, Benjamin as Bail fits perfectly. The only reason why there was any trepidation was that Jimmy couldn’t return. Benjamin does the character justice. Bail is one of the men that makes it understandable why the Emperor dissolves the council permanently, leaving the regional governors to have direct control over their territories. Good note on the scene of Mon in the apartment. Yeah, there was the question of how much, if any overt and direct connection there would be between this and Rebels. I foresaw that Mary as Hera would have been the most likely to appear if anything was going to happen. You note the thing of it perhaps was not practical to put her in the makeup chair for just a small amount of time in the show. I think that she would have been game for it. Hera also would have been the least likely to clash with the tone, which is the reason why I get that Gilroy didn’t go that route. I do hear you on how this is one of the least overtly Star Wars feeling shows ever. Some of the books have that same thing, and they’re great, so I’m used to that. This episode and the last one did have the stormtroopers, which helps the tie-in, as does some of the lore mentions like the Rakatan invaders. The Emperor is the big one, especially in Mon’s speech with the oomph she puts into saying “Emperor Palpatine!”, it’s one of many scenes that puts it into perspective how though more serious than most entries in the overall franchise, this is part of the franchise. And like everything else in the franchise, the shadow of the Emperor just seeps its poison into everything, and his presence fills the narrative, even when he does not physically appear, much though I so BADLY wished that he would have in this show, and get to see Ian play him once more. I do hear what you’re saying. It’s like other valid criticisms raised where I get the criticisms completely. May not agree with all of them, but I get them. The franchise does need to grow and evolve, lest it get stale. Yeah, maybe it never will feel like Star Wars of one’s youth. When the result is this good, I let it slide some, whilst acknowledging the point. Yeah, this was a damn good arc.