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ElijahLew

Hahaha oh boy i can only imagine you guy's reaction to the visual novel Saya no Uta (The Song of Saya) its very similar vibes to that Coffin VN in the anime. They really do love their body horror and psychological horror dont they.

Tony

On Stephs absolute love for interior decorating, have you ever played "House Flipper" Steph? I'm pretty sure it's on all consoles and PC. I imagine you'd be obsessed with it once you start!

Saul Harrison-coupe

French & Japanese horror movies tend to go further than American horror flicks

ryanapplegos

I think the horror movies you're thinking of are specifically slasher flics, which are typically more marketable for being more thrilling than horrifying, so things like Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street can be scary without actually going into any dark topics. That's definitely largely an American brand of horror, but even in the US that's actually a pretty small subset. Midsommar is definitely one of my favorite movies, and while I wouldn't call it quite as dark as Coffin, and the director has some interesting things to say about what genre it falls in, it's interesting how it frames its story. No matter how gruesome or graphic the movie gets later on, the only part that I find actually uncomfortable to watch is the truly traumatic incident in the opening 5 minutes that defines the protagonist's state of mind for the next 2 hours. Like the horror visual novel we see here, it's a story that tries to move you, just not in a happy direction.

kinetic98

lol the random carrot at the end

Yorutia

As a non-american, I definitely noticed the disparity between American media’s tolerance/sensitivity around violent vs sexual depictions. Like, remember how Game of Thrones had all those extreme violence that people were somehow comfortable with? But the moment Arya slept with a guy, people were like “THAT’S NOT OK!” Even though the violent crimes were objectively way worse. It is not weird that a culture is more comfortable around violence, or more uncomfortable around sex, per se. But it’s the combination of both - the disparity - that makes it strange. (This is not a criticism. I just found it interesting, and wonder if there’s some “explanation” for it.)

Rostislav

11:22 Wes thinks to himself: “Is it legal for me to see this?”

Chels

I think you put that very well and hit the nail on the head. It's one of my bigger complaints in American culture, that people here tend to shy away from darker or "triggering" topics, nudity, sex, sexuality and gender kind of things so hard that it ends up making the situations worse, more awkward and harder for everyone to deal with. I personally think it's due to the fact that the origin of the culture is very religious and sexist. A majority of the immigrants that formed the U.S. were force converted in order to come here with the promise of freedom and a bright future, but women from countries who had at least SOME rights, lost all rights, Pagans were just as prosecuted here as they were in Europe. Asian, South American, Black Hatians, Black Africans and such were all made into slaves or borderline slaves, and many of the ones coming from UK were trying to escape the Catholic vs Protestant war and the famine that was causing, so the Mormons here in America took advantage of that, telling them they get a free ticket to safety and freedom of choice as long as they convert, despite many of the immigrants being pagan or agnostic and wanting to escape forced religion. Kind of a yikes start for a country and being such a young country, I think we still see a LOT of influence from it, negative, positive, and neutral. I could rant about how those scenes were handled in GoT too despite my love for the show, but I'll spare you 😅 I get a little too passionate talking about these things because I also find it very interesting. Anthropology is a passion topic and fixation for me lol just wanted to say that you made a really good observation. People here tend not to handle confronting topics like children growing up and having sex, or acknowledging sexual assault, gun violence, disparity ect. Very well at all

Chels

A little bit of context, it wasn't just anime and manga being inappropriate or childish that caused a fuss, though I have an anecdote on that as well. In Japan, when there was a boom in Otaku culture, there were a few famous cases of people (primarily men) who were obsessive Otaku, that ended up committing major crimes, from sexual assault, to mass murder, stalking and butchering (I believe the case of Junko Furuta also involved an Otaku or 2) and it was a bad cycle of correlation and causation. Lots of people believed that the reclusive "weird" nature of being a super-nerd led people to "stray from a good path" very similar to how people reacted to goths after Columbine here in the states. 😅 To be fair, there was a LOT of correlation because people with no community could go to anime and manga for an outlet, but you know how it goes for the people who end up isolating because of it.. people get their head too wrapped up in the fiction and then victims families have to look for the common denominator, and a lot of times, they couldn't handle the idea that it was young folk committing the crimes, so they needed to blame the new, crazy thing that shows violence and sexual themes, even though at the time, there wasn't even that many like that yet. There was a time when it was a massive insult and slur to call someone an Otaku, but now it's become equivalent to "nerd" or "geek" vs how it used to mean something more like "obsessive neet weirdo" but you still see cases that make people judge anime harshly, like the rise in yandere related crimes after there was a small boom of yandere based anime and games, or the mangaka of Rurouni Kenshin getting convicted of collecting child porn, or there was a guy who got mad at a major anime company and stabbed the place up and set it on fire. It kind of sets people back a bit and still makes it hard for people to openly be their nerdy selves I think. 🤔 so I think that's what's happening with Akira and her mom. She practically had a panic attack when she thought she was about to be judged for liking Blaze. As for my anecdote, it's a small one, but frustrating from an American perspective. My cousin, who was like my sister because we grew up together, and one of the major things we bonded over was she introduced me to anime, got banned from me for most of our lives over her then step-dad being scared of anime. He said it was related to devil worship and it was evil and inappropriate, so he didn't want her around me anymore.. mind you we watched shit like pokemon, sailor moon, Digimon, Ghibli movies, ect. The sketchiest she had access to was YuYuHakusho and I watched Inuyasha without her because she's 2 yrs younger than me and my mom was very liberal with what I watched, but Mish was easily scared of stuff. Despite all that, I was apparently a horrible gangster for letting her watch devil cartoons at 9-12 years old lol. At one point, he let her visit me for a couple hours as long as we didn't watch anime, so I showed her my video game I was playing instead and he freaked out because it was Japanese animated.. it was final fantasy 😶 9.. they were pixels for goodness sakes. So I didn't see her again until we were in college, I was 25 and her 23. She told me that she would try to sneak things like anime art posters, CDs, and even kingdom hearts, but he'd destroy all of it, tho he finally relented on KH by KH3 as long as she only played 20 min of it in the living room while he watched. Now, she corrupts her mom, showing her Your Name, a Silent Voice, and Ghibli movies 😂 just to prove a point. So, while I do understand that there are some who think all anime is the same and they might be inappropriate or childish, I think there is a lot who have a very irrational mentality around it and it frustrates me. I learned a lot of really good life lessons from Inuyasha when that was arguably a very adult anime for me at the time. It's a difference in culture and perspective. Like, I never once noticed sailor moon was naked in the transformation scenes until an adult threw a fit about it, but in Germany, you see naked people on billboards all the time, and adult themes EVERYWHERE! Do you have any idea how many sex jokes and adult themes there are in Disney movies? Yet they want to have fits over magical monsters duking it out in a card game. I feel it's more prejudice than actual concern when it comes to those situations

Yorutia

It doesn't help that every time your parent walks in when you were watching an anime, it was that one fan service scene that otherwise never happened in the whole show! Jokes aside, basically it's the same as how racists think ethnic minorities are criminals and sexists think women are inferior, while these people were marginalised and not given the same opportunity to realise themselves - correlation becomes causation and then it perpetuates. This always happens to minority/disadvantaged groups in society. Anime has only really become mainstream (kind of) in the recent decade, even in Japan, and it has come a long way.