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Star Trek TNG 3x22 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Jenny Chalek

These always make my Saturday!

Thomas Corp

Yeah, that thumbnail is about what I expected, Jess. Oh, yeah, this one was a FUN reaction. Talk about our big guest star, Saul Rubinek, wonderful character actor that he is. He stepped up to the plate as Fajo creating one of the most shockingly loathsome one-shot villains of Star Trek. I love how you expressed appreciation for the writing of he’s that much of a shitbag, and there’s no redemption. Saul, I loved in this. Hate the character. Loved Saul, he is excellent. The timing of this reaction, by the way, is appropriate given the recent void left by recent Supernatural reactions. After all, since Metatron, well, actually, that might be a stretch to say you like him now, considering you did suffer significant emotional wounds that were the result of his villainous acts, vis-à-vis Kevin. But since he is largely responsible for a rather emotional episode of Supernatural this week, and he got you right in the heart, I would venture a wary surmise that the hate for him has lessened, and in any event, he is less detestable than Fajo, which is in and of itself, an accomplishment for the ages. Knew you’d love Data being most disinclined to acquiesce to Fajo’s requests. The whole thing with Fajo is horrifying. You wonder how he affords all of what he’s got and what he does. Apparently, his time with the Duck of Death left him with considerable wealth with which to buy everything in his collection and maintain his base or bases. He gets on your shit list, leaving you saying that you would certainly like harm to befall him, making me say, “I KNOW you would. I can FEEL your anger. It gives you focus. Makes you stronger.” The big emotional highlight is how the crew handles what they believe is Data’s death. Especially Geordi, KNEW you would have tears at that. It got me good. Had a small sob at the bit with Tasha, love that you had a similar reaction. I figured you’d appreciate Geordi combing over it until things made sense. Worf, likewise, gets us to cry, love his scene with Deanna. Picard, you can tell, is disassociating some so that he’s not overwhelmed by the grief. The most he allows is reading that line from Hamlet. One small line of Sir Patrick Stewart reading the Bard, and he breaks the heart, particularly when you hear his voice crack. It also gets you when he inadvertently addresses Worf as Data. LeVar went above and beyond as Geordi here. I’ve been where he’s at when he’s so exhausted and distressed as he is leading to his sleeping in uniform and not even having a blanket, so like you said, no judgments there. Love how he spots the loose thread, and how he and Wesley talk through it, and realize the facts don’t wash. Then when they realize they’ve been bamboozled with Beverly and Worf working through the science of it all, Riker noting the convenience of Fajo just happened to have exactly what they needed, and Picard using logic of Fajo’s profession would be counterproductive to keep himself hidden. On Data’s end, he got both of us cheering him on with the defiance, and then later, he and the one lady working to escape. Horrifying to see her killed. Yeah, Fajo became too overconfident saying that Data won’t hurt him. Brent delivered in shifting his demeanor exhibiting exactly what you said, Jess. Fajo’s going to keep hurting and killing people, thus logically, the needs of the many takes priority. Fajo’s determination would suggest a future danger to Data’s crew. AND. MOST importantly. He made Geordi think Data was dead, thus according to the Sesskasays playbook, that constitutes hurting Geordi. That means death. So, Fajo is correct that Data is not going to hurt him, he’s going to kill him. Them’s the rules. I mean, hey, these ain’t my rules. Come to think of it, I don’t have any rules. I even said whilst watching, “Fajo, watch, Jess is going to consider this anti-Geordi behavior and insist on your head, on a plate, to go.” You even pointed that out even before the big scene in question, making me laugh, and say, “See!? Did I tell ya? What did I tell ya? WAKE UP, Man! You think you can hurt Geordi whilst Jess is watching and just walk away!?” Good on Riker, and especially O’Brien in the quick move on shutting down the weapon. Love Data espousing the bullshit, and how you see Riker doesn’t buy it, but chooses not to press the issue. One imagines that upon finding out what happened, he probably says, “Perfectly reasonable. I’ll let that slide.” Anticipated your one big point deduction with the absence of the bestie reunion between Geordi and Data. That would have been grand to see, yes. And how satisfying it is when Data informs Fajo that Starfleet has reclaimed Fajo’s ill-gotten booty. (Or his ill-booten gotty.) The revenge is VERY COLD, and we lived for it. One other small highlight: Though he plays a rather detestable character, and he’s only in the one scene, rather lovely to see Nehemiah Persoff appear. Storied character actor who provides an interesting case of what we call “the age test”. My mom sees him and always thinks of his role of Papa in Yentl. My dad would always remember him for his role in Twins. And me, I subvert the age expectations as I see Nehemiah, and he’s Little Bonaparte in Some Like it Hot; that is his default image ever since my introduction to him in that film twenty years ago now. I imagine most people around my age think of his role as Papa Mousekewitz in the An American Tail films. Again, a most superb Star Trek reaction, Jess, and I thank you so very much for it.

Ryan

I knew this would be a big one for you, and it didn't disappoint. Amazing how much you can come to hate someone who never directly says a word against Geordi. And in fact Kivas Fajo is regularly ranked by fans as one of the most despicable characters in all of Trek despite only appearing in this one episode, his only real competition being Kai Winn who has the advantage of a series-long story arc (and the automatic emotional baggage of being played by Nurse Ratched). And at the end it becomes clear the entire point here is to show what would drive the perpetually good and decent Data to decide cold blooded murder is the only moral choice he can make. It pulls that off perfectly, and I'd imagine everyone is rooting for him to pull the trigger. When the teleporting starts, you can practically hear Kirk's "Oh son of a biiiiii". The role also unfortunately has a quite eerie and disturbing connection to something else you've recently seen. The original script had him as a dwarf whose ship was sized to himself and forced everyone else to cram in uncomfortably, to be played by David Rappaport, the leader of the Time Bandits. But after filming just a few scenes, he attempted suicide. So the role was recast with Saul Rubinek, as luckily the idea for the small ship had already been rejected for looking too silly onscreen. The scenes Rappaport filmed are on the DVDs, and show that he played the role as much more openly monstrous, and I prefer Rubinek's more casual and cheerful version, making him much creepier as someone who honestly doesn't see anything wrong in what he's doing and doesn't get why anyone else would either. Sadly, Rappaport wasn't able to overcome whatever demons he was struggling with and succeeded in killing himself a few months later. Conversely, Rubinek was already a 20 year acting veteran at this point but was mostly stuck in stereotypical Jewish roles, often lawyers, and this role greatly expanded the opportunities he got. A recent favorite of mine is his guest appearance in Ron Moore's current show For All Mankind that deliberately plays on his reputation for roles like Fajo, as a Senator who we're encouraged to dislike for interfering with NASA and the smug way he talks to everyone, but eventually the heroes are forced to admit he's completely right that Wehrner Von Braun is a Nazi war criminal who needs to be kicked out (nicely tying in to some discussion about Invincible this week). Back on the Enterprise, it's always a tricky writing issue to show characters mourning someone the audience knows is still alive, and would even if we hadn't already had it confirmed. This one finds a nice workaround by having Geordi so quickly come to disbelieve it and work his hardest to figure out the truth (and it's a great subtle touch that he wakes up in his uniform, apparently having just worked until he dropped the previous night). Him and Wesley going through Data's quarters is also quite an effective scene, showing more of how confident TV shows were growing that they could count on the audience to remember previous episodes even from years ago without dialogue spelling it out. I also have to point out this is another episode that has since been expanded on in Lower Decks, which shows that Fajo is far from the only degenerate "collector" out there, and this time we get the pleasure of seeing some of them go through some serious pain. God, I love that show.

Ryan
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To quote a certain possible future reaction, but I won't say which one, "I'm not a killer. But you did fuck with our family, so..." Yeah, I mainly think of Persoff from An American Tail. The days when kids' movies weren't afraid to be deeply traumatizing for life, which I'm happy to see has made a comeback over the last decade.

Thomas Corp
>>164048743

“Actions speak louder than words” as people often say. Man broke Geordi’s heart, hence, it was IMMEDIATELY a forgone conclusion that Jess would hold a sizeable hatred towards Fajo. It does speak volumes how Fajo is only in the one episode and he’s viewed as one of the most loathsome of the franchise. Like you said, Kai Winn being perhaps the one to surpass him. A fact aided by the pure excellence that Louise brought from Nurse Ratched. (Something that’s become worse for me as it eerily resembles the energy of an old boss I had a decade ago, so I end up with flashbacks now when I rewatch Cuckoo’s Nest/I ever rewatch her in Deep Space Nine.) Biggest evidence of how hateful Fajo is, is how he reaches the point where Data considers murder to be the logical course of action. Yeah, fans probably did hear that moment from Undiscovered Country. I know I quoted it in the theater for Infinity War during the one scene with Star Lord. Heard about the initial casting of David Rappaport, and how his demons prevented that, sad to hear. Good move on the change of sets, and nice to hear that the footage still exists. Saul’s interpretation sells better the complete moral bankruptcy. Saul’s been amazing in anything I’ve seen him in. A little jarring to see him pop up in one of those damn Hallmark movies that my mom watches all the time, and even then, he’s good. Not seen For All Mankind, but the premise sounds amazing, and his character sounds terrific. Nice tie-in with Invincible, which I got to the second episode of the season. Looking forward to more of Jess deep diving into the topic. Haven’t heard yet if my brother’s seen any of the new season, and I already know that he’ll love the plotline, and he’d love For All Mankind, if he’s not already seen it. Those types of shows or plotlines that just dig into the complexities and how morally grey the world is over the course of human history, my brother just eats that stuff up with a spoon. That is tricky of characters mourning someone the audience knows is still alive. In this scenario, it’s done well, particularly the focus on Geordi. Love how you, Jess, and I all made similar notes on him sleeping in uniform. He and Wesley did great with the brainstorming. Shared appreciation of the growing confidence with the continuity. LOVELY to hear Lower Decks has episodes with people like Fajo going through serious pain. And if he’s that upset about it, he could always decide to become a writer. (“What, letters and such?”) Saw your comment on thinking of Nehemiah Persoff from An American Tail. I knew you’d say that as you’re about two years older than my brother; he watched that one quite a bit way back when. And I hear you on the days when kids’ movies weren’t afraid to be deeply traumatizing for life, and it’s nice to return to that.

Ryan
>>164048743

The show also has a quite interesting take on Von Braun himself, making absolutely no bones about his work with the Nazis and even playing Tom Lehrer’s song about it under his getting drummed out, but at the same time he’s earnestly devoted to the Apollo program and the safety of the astronauts, and it’s made clear that certain major problems that pop up later never would have happened if he’d still been there.

Josef Schiltz

Oh. I've just realized how close this character of Kivas Fajo is to Henry van Statten in 'Dalek' and also especially Solomon in 'Dinosaurs On A Spaceship'. Alone with his thoughts, and in saddened memory of Data, Picard quotes from Hamlet in the scene where Hamlet is in conversation with Horatio regarding the death of Prince Hamlet's father, the King. Hamlet: "He was a man, take him for all in all, I shall not look upon his like again." Patrick has played Hamlet's uncle, King Claudius, who murdered his brother, Hamlet's father, twice and several years apart. Once in 1980, with a young Derek Jacobi as Hamlet and again in 2008 with David Tennant.

Geordie Joe

No guesses for who that middle finger in the video thumbnail is aimed towards. 😅 Kivas Fajo is certainly up there with TNG's most annoying characters. It's just a shame we didn't get to see Data vaporise him at the end. Kivas Fajo's starship The Jovis is the same ship model used for the Husnock Warship from The Survivors. This won't be the last time you see it either. The model is reused 23 times across Star Trek appearing in TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise as a variety of different alien vessels.

LOKXxX V

How come i can't watch vikings season 1 episodes 1-6, i just sign up $17month for this, thanks

sesskasays
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If you are speaking about Full Reactions....at that time, only certain Season 1 episodes got full reactions which were voted on by Patrons. Back then, my setup/ laptop could not handle exporting Full Reactions for every sinlg episode so there was a vote for which episodes got Full Reactions posted on Patreon. If they are not avilable, that's because they did not win the vote.