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Thomas Corp

Out of respect to you, Jess, I am NOT making any of the Walking Dead related jokes that I imagine everyone else is making, ESPECIALLY NOT the obvious ones. My promise that I made late last night was that I wasn’t saying anything about that unless you did first. Talk about Cecil hanging a perfect lampshade of asking what are the fucking odds of Conquest showing up when he did, love that part. Both surprising yet not surprising that he has Sinclair working on the dead Invincibles, like you said. Bulk of the fandom’s main talking points are undoubtedly focused on the big fight. You mentioned how most of the reaction was just you screaming, well, you had less screaming than I did, especially when the bones got broken. We did share the horror of the one moment rhyming with the moment with the train in season one. I also had nothing to say about the blood heart bubble. We had a similar “...the fuck?” response to that one. Mostly, it looked like, and you are free to correct me if I am wrong, but it looked like you were just internalizing the trauma from nine years ago with Glenn. Understandable, Jess. Perfectly understandable as your reaction to Glenn was though not down to the smallest detail, exactly similar to my reaction to... er, uh, something that happened on a different show. Christ, I started getting secondhand trauma from that when watching this. We both got surprised by Debbie allowing Oliver to fight, and we loved her advice. With that, Paul had the sweet encouragement. Meaning that as of the end of the season, it does appear that Paul is a stand-up guy, and my one fear is unfounded. However, the final montage shows no fear with long form continuity, still leaving the idea of some sort of long game being played. Bottom line, as of the season’s end, I’m more inclined to find Paul the sweet guy that he’s been sold as, and even then, the one past character that Cliff played over thirty years ago will not leave my mind. I just want to be wrong here. I hope I am. That bit with Oliver was horrific. I’m the little brother, and I felt that big brother fear on that one. Mercifully, we did not have too much of Eve’s dad, who seeing him, made me yell, “I am SO NOT in the mood for you!!” and when he left at the one point, I said, “Yeah, get the fuck out. Just go away.” Loved how you cheered Eve on. Horrifying to almost lose her. You spoke of both remembering the special, yet being distracted from said recollection. Same here. The special was in the back of my head, though it wasn’t given the most attention given the emotion at the moment. It ends up not being surprising, but the catharsis was exquisite. There was a moment of being distracted by how the show refused to show any explicit nudity. All the blood and gore and violence, but heaven forbid we see any nudity on this show. We had similar responses to Conquest monologuing, and we had similar comments at the same spot. You said, “I don’t know why they think that.”, I said, “I wonder why.” It all builds and culminates in the payoff of the overarching conflict that Mark has had of wanting to maintain the hold on the one moral, yet here, it reaches a point where though it may not be the right thing to do, nor is it the right choice, short of a miracle, it is the only choice. Hell of a thing seeing Mark take Conquest down. Using his head to go for the head, Thanos would approve. And as you observed, the one reversal was not lost on you. Thanks to the Angstrom business, you see what looks like Conquest’s dead body, and you outright ask, “Is he dead!?” and the thought in reply being, “If he’s alive, he’s putting on a hell of an act! Ain’t he!?” And sure enough, Cecil mentions he’s not dead, his one plan likely going to backfire, though I can’t say I fault the logic. Bringing us to two of the bigger emotional moments. The first being that big scene with Debbie, Jesus CHRIST, did Sandra shatter my heart with perfectly selling the guilt that Debbie feels for something that wasn’t her fucking fault. The sobbing on my end was obscene as I was yelling, “Don’t FUCK with me like this, show, not like this!!” Lovely to see how you, Mark, and myself through the tears, all were telling Debbie, “It’s not your fault.” Then there’s Rex’s funeral, shared sob seeing Rae at that part. Gets you hearing Rudy say via the robot how Rex’s soul was one of the most human. Related a bit too much of how he used the robot as the buffer. Mixed feelings on the name thing, since you asked. You say that you wouldn’t care much for it if it happened at your funeral, someone saying that they’d take your name. If the gesture was that important for someone, I’d allow using my name for their middle name, but that’s it. Gets you how Eve breaks down, and nice that she and Mark have their moment. I wanted to hear more of what Samson had to say. Then we have our sequel hooks, such as the sequids, haven’t caught up with them in a while. Looking forward to more Battle Beast. Angstrom helping the technicians out with cube shopping should be interesting. All of which in conjunction with Mark making his ominous declaration, which I hope he avoids any Targaryen energy with that going forward. Seeing Darkblood made me say, “Oh, hey, haven’t seen him in years.” He offers the demon the idea of possessing a very specific vessel, and said demon finds the idea quite... Groovy. So concludes the season. My brother would concur on wanting more of Omni-Man and Allen. More so Allen as Allen is my brother’s favorite on this show. He says Allen and I say Cecil. Probably some sort of message or metaphor in that, but I don’t know what it is. Hope it’s not too long a wait for next season. Until then, it remained a genuine, lovely delight to continue this show with you, Jess. I appreciated the reactions to this season very, very much. I also hope that Rocco is ok. Still thinking of both of you there. Thank you for the reactions for the season, Jess.

LatePaul

So I'll be honest. I didn't like Rudy taking Rex's name. I get that the intent is not bad but it still feels a little disrespectful somehow.

Ryan

"Getting mad doesn't make you stronger. That's not how this works." Clearly you have not been watching this show, dude. Hell, not even your time on The Boys clued you in? The tease of Jeffrey Dean Morgan pays off and then some. I don't even think Conquest was supposed to talk this much, but after hearing what he was doing with it, they decided to just let him keep vamping, even if it's just hitting that same note of loving fighting and killing over and over. And it makes a especially neat contrast to Sterling clearly struggling with these same kind of lines after Gordon Walker was his only previous experience with this kind of role. But most of all he earns his paycheck with that private, bonechilling monologue of "I've been around the world, had my pick of any girl, you'd think I'd be happy but I'm not." Though combined with his looks, his saying how he has all these other skills no one knows about did have me wanting him to continue with "I have people skills! I am good at dealing with people! What the hell is wrong with you people?" And I'm very impressed at how they manage to pull the exact same dramatic beats twice in a row with Oliver and then Eve, but it doesn't feel repetitive at all. Plus big props to Debbie realizing Oliver's going to the fight no matter what, so she should just give him the best advice for that she can. It's been pretty amusing seeing complaints from some fans who clearly didn't watch the Atom Eve special that this power comes out of nowhere. And boy, it must have been quite a job to select those camera angles to avoid any appearance of playing her nudity for extremely inappropriate titillation. Brings back memories of the Little Mermaid commentary and how thankful they were for the Godiva hair principle during the exact scene you're thinking of. And leading to for me easily the scariest moment of the episode, the reveal that unlocking this new power level seems to have come at the price of compromising the molecular stability of anything she uses it on. That's easily the part I'm most aching to see where Season 4 can go with it, with so many potential complications that can come from it. As for what's clearly intended to be the biggest shock of Mark declaring he's done holding back, well...I'm sure this was a big surprise when the comic was first coming out. I'm old enough to distinctly remember those were the days of Sidney Bristow's enemies having an uncanny ability to accidentally stab themselves in the heart, and Buffy Summers insisting it would be wrong to kill an objectively evil rapist and murderer, because that's how firmly entrenched the idea was back then. But now that we have so much stuff trying to be the new most badass "Look how crazy violent we are" story (Jeffrey Dean Morgan alone takes you on a nice tour of them), it just can't land the same way, and the only reaction I could muster up was "Finally." Luckily, everything else about the final montage easily takes up the slack, give or take a bit of Angstrom Levy saying "And to think I hesitated." I'm already so bored of this guy, and not even the promise of more Pinhead is getting me that pumped. But the promise of seeing Clancy Brown and Bruce Campbell working together most of all has me excited there's still plenty of good stuff ahead.

Ryan

I'm just confused at the season continuing past the POV shot of the head getting bashed in. Never mind us already knowing who it is. No, I'm never letting that go. I was so ready to call bullshit on the exact same thing that Angstrom Levy survived killing the strongest Viltrumite. And if Cecil is going to have to admit he was just straight-up wrong about something next season, I can't wait to see Walton play that.

Thomas Corp

“Getting mad doesn’t make you stronger”? Perhaps not, but it does certainly help from time to time. The Dark Side proves that conclusively. No, yeah, for villain actors that you can just let them feast on the raw ham, Jeffrey does prove himself as one of the very good go-tos for that. Contrasting to Sterling being on the rustier side given, as you said this and Gordon Walker being the experience there. He was also a pretty damn good one-shot villain on Brooklyn 99. Conquest did have quite a lonely at the top monologue where he speaks of all the things he thought he’d been, all the brave things he’d done. Would be interesting if he kept on the train of thought of the other Viltrumites jumping to conclusions about how good he is at dealing with people. They did really well with the back-to-back story beats that don’t feel repetitive. Yeah, Debbie knew that Oliver wouldn’t sit still, so she gave him a good mom pep-talk. Was curious about fans who didn’t see the one special, and how they’d likely sound like the people at the theater during Multiverse of Madness asking when the fuck did Wanda have kids. Her powers fully unleashed does have my curiosity going forward. Good comparison to the Godiva principle like you said they were grateful for in The Little Mermaid. Like I said, I got distracted by the lengths they went to avoid the explicit nudity, more because you already have the blood, guts, gore, and violence galore, but the nudity is apparently not kid-friendly. I concede too that you would run the risk of playing her nudity for extremely inappropriate titillation. Not entirely sure Mark’s big line is meant to be a shock for the show. For back when the comics were published, yeah maybe, especially when one considers stuff on tv back then such as the Alias thing, or like the Buffy bit you mentioned of insisting it would be wrong to kill an objectively evil rapist and murderer. Here, it feels less shock, and more we have now gotten to this point. And now begins the dread with the waiting game of how long before either Mark or Oliver fall deeper down that dark rabbit hole. I’ll take more of the Pinhead business, though I take your point how Angstrom’s plotline lost you. Clancy Brown and Bruce Campbell are a hell of a tease. Bruce, by the way, my mom’s only been recently introduced to him within the last few years as he’s been in a few of those Hallmark movies, and it cracks me up how my brother and I have a VERY different image of him. I did bring up about his chin still being impressive, and my mom did concur about him having a good chin. She also caught how Bruce is pretty close to being an exact birthday buddy of hers. I hope the wait between seasons isn’t as long as the one between one and two, though I keep suspecting covid had something to do with that, so we should be good on not having too long a wait.

DieWinterkirsche

So, prior to this episode I've did some homework and read the comics covering the fight with Conquest and the aftermath, trying to figure out what they'll keep and what not. And they enhanced some sequences like the Atom Eve fight was a lot shorter in the comics... speaking of Eve... there was a detail in the comics that Eve did during her rebuilding her body that I figured they won't do in the show: She made her boobs bigger... yeah... the male gaze of the early 2000s. Oh, and when the heroes arrived at the place where Mark and Eve were laying unconciously, Monster Girl covers Rudy eyes (well, the eyes of the Robot suit) in the comics, which I thought they would keep, but well... Rudy/Rex II. isn't like that in the show, I guess. I also expected a different mid-credit scene, tbh. but I like to be surprised :D Can't wait for season 4 (they seem to be pretty good when it comes to the annual release plan, which is nice! ^^)! - oh, and Jess... Eve almost was beloved character death number 4 in two weeks... xD Sadly not every character we lost has Eves power. ^^ Oh, and I guess Glenn got his revenge! xD

Thomas Corp

Good to hear they didn’t go with the male gaze route. Could see a case either way for the scene with Monster Girl and Rudy. Suppose they worried about it feeling too silly in the moment. I confess that worry for losing Eve wasn’t as strong, partly because I didn’t think they’d go that path. Is nice though that we weren’t four for four in terms of beloved character deaths all within two weeks, so that’s something. Here’s hoping that the annual release schedule keeps up. Really makes me think that season two got delayed by covid. Looking forward to what’s to come with this show.

DieWinterkirsche

Yeah, me too. I mean, Eve getting naked seems reasonable enough but thinking about a boobjob after such a traumatic event is so weird. Ngl. Yeah, you´re probably right about the Monster Girl/Rudy scene being too silly after that - Cecils "Huh" was funny enough. ^^ Eve was really unlikely to die... remember Future-Immortal? He forgot about Kate, but remembered Eve (the one with red hair"(?)), so Eve should live a lot longer than Kate. She should be safe for now - unless the whole future thing isn't set in stone. ^^