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Star Trek TNG 4x12 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Josef Schiltz

Jess. Your mentioning of how some are just left to cope after serving in war reminded me invariably of my own grandfather, Cyril Green, who, upon returning home, at the end of 1918, seemed to be coping well but gradually descended into such a state, suffering from Post Traumatic Stress and gradually turned to more and more drink and then became abusive. My grandmother left him whilst he was out on a building job, afraid for her and my mother's safety. She was then only three. This was 1926, so it shows how long this was building up. She had already put up with her husband's swinging moods in the intervening years. My mother's abiding memory was of her breakfast bowl smashing against a wall and that, according to my grandmother, was it! She disappeared soon after and she made sure she and her young daughter were not to be found. She must have had a mole though, as she was kept in contact with events at home. Word was sent in 1930 when he died in a drunken stupor, hitting his head falling into an open hearth My grandfather started off in life as a craftsman. Our village church has a beautiful screen that he created when he had just left his apprenticeship in 1903. We also lost three brothers Murfet in our extended family, two in 1916 and one in 1917. The latter's remains were only uncovered three years ago. Still some damn foolish wars are being fought for the deification of land and of fools and it is heartbreaking. What living beings will do to living beings is horrifying and tragic.

Thomas Corp

Praying for you that the stress of the hectic filming lessens soon, and if not, that things just go smoothly. Shared thing of having a time of things as of late. Today’s been a trying one. Next Gen reaction from you is just the antidote, Jess, especially an O’Brien episode, and what might be my favorite O’Brien episode. (In Next Gen, anyway.) Trying to recall if there were other O’Brien Next Gen episodes that I’m just not remembering. It has been some time for both of us, after all. For now, saying that this is my favorite O’Brien episode of Next Gen, with the asterisk that the opinion is subject to change, if we happen to come across any other O’Brien episodes in Next Gen that, again, perhaps I’m not remembering. We agree on loving the increased focus that Colm has gotten with O’Brien getting the time to shine. Knew you would love the O’Brien/Keiko focus, particularly as it’s centralized on food. Colm and Rosalind are wonderful together. As expected, you adored this episode, and it is great to see that. This whole thing benefits from excellent guest cast, such as Marc Alaimo making a wonderful impression as Gul Macet, and the always terrific character actor Bob Gunton as Captain Maxwell. You spoke well of how there was no clear solution to the problem, particularly as until the end, you did not have the clearest picture of what was going on. Very much enjoyed your reaction to learning that Maxwell went on the attack, then went radio silent. Yes, quite the bold play. Bolder than when he partnered with Madame Gao to poison Vanessa, and I think we all remember how that death wish paid off. The repressed trauma is very much the undercurrent with both Maxwell and O’Brien. Like you said, O’Brien says that Maxwell recovered from the personal loss well enough, and that he harbors no real grudge. You can tell Keiko clocks the false note, just as Deanna did. And it is the great theme of objective truth filtered through trauma. People go through war, perceptions of people on the enemy side are going to be skewed, and it takes years, if not one’s whole life to shake that. Like the line Chancellor Gorkan had to Kirk in Undiscovered Country, “You don’t trust me, do you? I don’t blame you. If there is to be a brave new world, our generation is going to have the hardest time living in it.” The whole thing gets the great focus when O’Brien recalls the attack that even the Cardassian there acknowledges that it was an horrific attack. How you see that it’s stuck with O’Brien, the knowledge that a man lost his life and O’Brien is the one that took it. Your reaction to the scene exceeds all expectations. See we both clocked the waste of perfectly good beer; that drove me up a wall as well. On the other hand, as you say, drudging up the trauma leaves a man not in a drinking mood. I’ve been there once or twice, so we let that slide ultimately. And it’s a great understated thing that the Cardassian offers no real argument to what O’Brien had to say and just let him get things off his chest. Love how you lived for Worf having the not unreasonable suspicion. He took his security responsibilities very seriously with this episode with his doing an effective job keeping up with the Cardassians. (There, I got the one in, everybody happy? And yes, it’s prosaic, but I don’t know any more precise references.) Maxwell tested you something fierce when he had his scene with Picard. We both side with Picard in that regardless of motive, and whether Maxwell was right, which I love how you entertained that (ultimately correct) possibility, it becomes a secondary concern to the fact that Maxwell has gone off the deep end and attacked and killed the Cardassians. Leads to you having a testing time with Maxwell, even yelling “Sweetie!” at him, which is probably the first time I’ve heard that word said to Bob or his characters. Situation becomes serious when Maxwell refused to play ball. He is not deterred. For he knows that there is a plot afoot. He is determined to put an end to the plot, and he wants to end it now. Not tomorrow, not AFTER breakfast, NOW. Fantastic that O’Brien knows the way to get on board the Phoenix, with help from Geordi and Data, I’d imagine. And the episode beautifully never quite spells out how O’Brien’s scene in Ten Forward helped him have the right mindset to talk Maxwell down. The thing of you can’t heal something unless you’re brave enough to say it out loud. He gets Maxwell to confront that the trauma is influencing his actions, and both Colm and Bob break the heart with the song, loved your reaction there. So, the situation is deescalated, but not over. Because Picard is sharp enough to assess that Maxwell spotted the loose threads which lead to the answer that he was right, wrong though his actions are. Macet having the non-denial denial confirms that. Picard has that great thing of sending the “Tread lightly” warning for Macet to take back with him. The ending makes clear that Macet was counting on Maxwell now being a prisoner so that all his protests are dismissed. Or so he hoped. He did not count on Picard. Makes for a very satisfying conclusion. Only wish that we had one more O’Brien and Keiko scene for the final scene. What we got was great, so there are no complaints, just as there are no complaints about this reaction. Your reaction was most perfect, Jess, thank you very much.

Thomas Corp
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Yeah, the trauma of war just lingers, as you say it did for your grandfather. I know Patrick Stewart spoke of how it affected his father, and how his father became abusive as a result. Pretty sure there was the war trauma with Papa, that’s my dad’s dad. Both my grandfathers served in Korea. Grandpa, that is Mom’s dad was in the army, and Papa was a marine who saw combat. He died before I got old enough to ever think to ask him about any of his experiences. From what the family has said, he rarely, if ever talked about it. And whatever was talked about, there was from the sound of it, no mention of openly discussing or contending with any lingering trauma. Just never came up, far as I understand it. I know that given reactions and statements that Jess has made, she’s very much on the side of the thought of we should have these more open discussions about contention with trauma, and healing from that. Alas, we do still persist in the damn foolish wars are being fought for the deification of land and of fools and it is heartbreaking, like you said.

Ryan
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That was a fun two weeks or so of everyone making the same Kardashian joke before it got forever played out. I have no idea what any of them look like; I've seen pictures several times but the image leaves my head the instant I look away, and it's heaven. The best I can do is David Schwimmer in American Crime Story. Apparently there's a Deep Space Nine novel that reveals Macet and Dukhat are actually cousins, and they hate each other and furiously attack anyone who says they look similar, which is also why Macet grew that almost beard.