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The Sandman 2×01 Full Reaction

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Thomas Corp

You say that it has been some time since the last season, yeah, that was two years ago watching and sharing it with you. Nice to be back with sharing this show with you, massive elephant in the room aside, talk more about that in a minute. This opener feels more build up and establishing in nature. You can tell that the humor is retained when Merv complains about the remodeling after he spent all that time cleaning. You know, I’m with Merv on that one. Knew that you would be delighted to see Lucienne again. Good to see the sibling gathering. Nice that you vibe with Destiny as it pertains to his concerns, fashion-wise. Though you also note that the man loses some points for not even having the goddamn common courtesy to have a chair out for Daffodil. Clearly, as you note, Desire has no such problems with the dress codes as they do serve fierce as fuck looks. I think you speak accurate about how although the vagueness with the dialogue abounds, Destiny more than anyone needs to abide by that. Don’t worry about speaking way too soon, Delirium-wise, because I’m with you on already living for her. Delirium is me. Esmé Creed-Miles makes a hell of a first impression. Alas, in her picture she was not holding daffodils, though I would have cackled seeing you lose your goddamn mind if that had happened. The question of the last sibling is there. (You know, Daffodil aside.) You ask not to say who it is if we know, which, well I think I may have heard a name, but I can’t confirm that, even if you wanted me to. Old Desire stirs the pot when bringing up Nada. You requested more context: Ask and it shall be given unto you. Made me look back what I said in that last episode, and it was surprisingly little, and I wasn’t even doing that on purpose to avoid leading or spoiling as I didn’t know what any future developments would be, or even if they would be in the show. Though maybe that was done as a precautionary measure for the very reason I just mentioned. Interesting to get the context. Sweet enough scenes before it goes to Hell, along with Nada. Was a bit of a wiseass when she kisses him without verbally offering any answers to his proposal, namely I said, “May we take that for a “yes”?” Death does rightfully call out Morpheus for what he did. She didn’t reject him per se, she sacrificed her happiness for the greater good, and she gets to go to Hell for it. Hearing Morpheus excuse it reminds us how Gaiman has said that Morpheus is more or less a walking trainwreck of a man. (Which is now uncomfortable hearing him judge, again, getting to that in a minute.) And he shows how he misread some things in that, he thought that he could offer her goddess powers to make everything work, ignoring the wisdom that he should well know, that “A woman that can be bought... isn’t worth having.” as they say. Then again, you do give credit that Morpheus does self-reflect, though here it feels like he’s impulsively acting. With you on wishing he’d fill Lucienne in on some specifics as she most certainly could help. Things are really going to be a hot time in the old town this season as Lucifer is back with her fabulous looks, and she’s still pretty mad about the events of last season. Should be fun. Love Matthew insisting on coming up with a decent plan, and I called out Morpheus when he said that he had a plan, by saying, “Ah, but is it a decent plan?” before he leaves he pays the visit to the baby, and you and I concur that we’d have been less nice than Lyta was. Man still needs to work on his tact. Then there’s the sweet scene of taking the moment to stop for some bestie time, as you put it, good to see Hob again. Love the realistic thing of Hob noting the weird signs that one is dreaming. You had the sweet reaction to that part. Now Morpheus is off to Hell. And he’s going to, what, pick out a “Sorry I condemned you to an eternity in Hell” Hallmark card, and that’s going to make everything right as rain? Well, see how it goes. Now to come to the elephant in the room. Gaiman. Yes, I have caught the news about that. In addition to what has been in the news, I have also caught Ryan’s comments over the months. A very disheartening situation. You say that you read about the allegations, and I do not doubt that they were upsetting to read about what Gaiman had done. You mentioned about multiple seasons which has now been pared down to just the two seasons altogether. You can tell that the statements made that there were always going to be only two seasons is a fart in a stiff wind, as the decision is clearly influenced by Gaiman being exposed for who he is. As we came closer and closer to this season’s premiere, I was largely just curious if you were going to react to the second and what ended up being the final season. Whether you would or not, that was up to you. Whichever decision you made, I would accept it. As we clearly see, you decided to continue. I liked among the other things you said, one reason you wished to continue was the cast and crew who put in all that hard work. That thing you say about a cast and crew’s hard work just being shunned or buried, I have the same thought with things. Hell, you’ve reacted to Ferris Bueller and Beetlejuice, both have Jeffrey Jones. Or even The Hunt for Red October has the same individual in a smaller part. We also watched for the first time and shared the Mad Max films, despite the Mel Gibson of it all and we did enjoy many parts of those films that did not involve him. Hence, I share what you noted: The thought of if you bury those films, there’s a lot of good work that gets lost just because of one person, and it’s not fair to those who didn’t do anything wrong. And yes, sometimes it is easier said than done in terms of separation of art and artist, particularly when it comes to a writer. I’m always in favor of the option and availability is there for people to see things if they wish to. If they don’t wish to, they don’t have to. Up to them. Just as you now pose the potential future of these reactions to us. I’d be in favor of the subsequent reactions if you do wish to see the rest of this. If the demand is not there because too many people are having the reasonable response of shunning and boycotting the show, then that’s what happens. I’ll accept that decision, and what I would imagine would lead to you stopping the Sandman reactions. Come what may, you will have my support, Jess, and I am just very proud of you for everything you said in the pre-reaction statements. My compliments to you on that one.

Ryan

Well, after I'd been trying my hardest for months not to think about The Sandman at all, I was caught off guard by just how much Gaiman's darker side is woven into it in retrospect, most of all his idea of desire being so centered around lust at its most destructive, and the only one of the Endless who approaches being evil. And jesus christ, did NO ONE on the crew think that under the circumstances they might want to take out the scene where child porn is called beautiful? I may owe an apology to the show runner for his claim that this was always intended as the final season, because judging from the episode titles they actually did somehow squeeze the entire rest of the comic in here. I have no idea how that's possible so far, because the premiere seems to have about the same pacing as before, and we're now in Volume 4 out of 10 (to recount, Season 1 was roughly half divided between Volumes 1 and 2, and Volume 3 is a set of standalone stories of which two were adapted in a special episode). The part I was most eager and worried about after last season was Delirium, since she's the kind of character who it's extremely hard to play in live action without just being ungodly annoying (think Ed in the live action Cowboy Bebop, which we'll thankfully only ever have a couple minutes of). My ideal choice was Emma Stone in full Poor Things mode. Esme Creed-Miles was a bit out of nowhere, only knowing her as Hanna, but she's absolutely nailing it so far. We'll see how she manages in certain more complicated material presumably to come (in the audio version she's played by Kristen Schaal, who showed some very surprising straight dramatic skills and is quite a lot to live up to). It was pretty interesting seeing which reactors caught on that Nada would be coming back in a big way after her cameo in Season 1. And it's nice to see the show not cheapen out at all on what an utter bastard Dream is here (probably another sign of Gaiman's true nature that we should have paid more attention to). All the preparation scenes are basically word for word adaptations, and it's just a treat to see Gwendoline back in this role after her time on Wednesday was cut short (I actually kind of wonder if Death's dress took some inspiration there, because it's certainly not like her in the original scene). Mostly I'm just left thinking it's a shame that so much hard work by this crew to such great results is now wasted on a product that's irrevocably tainted and a lot of people will never see for reasons you can't give any blame for. But at least we get to talk about it here.

Ryan

The final sibling was designed after an actor who's still alive, but there's been no word on if he's involved at all. He's probably too old for the role as intended, but it would be nice to at least get a cameo as some kind of glamor spell or something. Going through all the Best Picture winners included Braveheart, which I'd long been refusing on moral grounds, and I ended up ranking it on the weaker side with no idea how much of that came from knowing the whole time I was watching a story about noble freedom fighters made by a literal Nazi. The one part I fully enjoyed was the great Patrick McGoohan, who knows full well he's there to be the cartoon bad guy and it's a blast seeing him chew all the scenery he can get his hands on.

Thomas Corp

That was slightly on the brain of watching this and noticing that certain aspects of this carry the darker subtext with the knowledge about Gaiman. Desire being the one that borders on villainous the most is something that stands out as you say. Good point on the child porn thing. You say that based on the titles that they actually did somehow squeeze the entire rest of the comic in here. Then I suppose I should amend the statement of I still think the statement of this always being the intention of two seasons is bullshit, but maybe instead of the revelations of Gaiman, the truncation is more along the lines of what Gilroy has said about Andor being too massive to achieve the initial vision, thus they condense. Already loving Delirium. Esmé makes a good first impression. I can see how the character poses the test of the delicate balancing act. The cameo of last season did suggest that it would build to something significant, there was just the question of would we get follow-up to that. Good on the show for showing Morpheus was quite the bastard with his actions with Nada. (Which I would concur that we probably should have been more concerned about that.) I am living for more of Gwendoline as Lucifer, and with more fabulous looks at that. Death’s dress did have a Wednesday vibe, now you mention it. Any way you slice it, yeah, we’re getting such fantastic results that is wasted on the product that’s now forever poisoned. And a lot of people won’t watch, and you can’t even fault the reasoning. Though we can still talk about it here, like you said. See you say that you have The Usual Suspects for pick for ‘95. That is good enough to overlook the ick. Think Jess made a comment about it once saying that it was great movie, kind of tainted now. And Se7en is the same year, that, also, way too good that it helps overlook the ick. Love the reactions on youtube that don’t even recognize Kevin Spacey in that one until the end credits.